Jasoaks Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 Ugh, i hate that he's in this category haha but anyway, he's having a good first game so far with Boston! He's been looking pretty good....as I'm sure all of us expected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DucksFan_08 Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Jasoaks said: Ugh, i hate that he's in this category haha but anyway, he's having a good first game so far with Boston! He's been looking pretty good....as I'm sure all of us expected! An assist and 3rd star of the night in a game against Tampa. Not too shabby. They're gonna love him in Boston. I gotta say it sung that we didn't re-sign him and I'm not too happy with PV because of it but I'm gonna reserve judgment until the summer's over. If he has a plan and can bring in an adequate replacement I won't hold it against him but if he doesn't he really started of on the wrong foot IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksun Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 When we drafted him 6th in 2012 it was somewhat of an expectation he would go on to become a staple. Much like getting Bobby Ryan in 2005 - Lindholm when he was drafted was viewed as a franchise player. Sad that it had to end the business way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 9 hours ago, DucksFan_08 said: An assist and 3rd star of the night in a game against Tampa. Not too shabby. They're gonna love him in Boston. I gotta say it sung that we didn't re-sign him and I'm not too happy with PV because of it but I'm gonna reserve judgment until the summer's over. If he has a plan and can bring in an adequate replacement I won't hold it against him but if he doesn't he really started of on the wrong foot IMO. I like this approach! I'm looking forward to seeing how Verbeek is going to build. The coaching hire is going to be a huge part of that, but on the player front, we may not get a good look at his plan until the summer of 2023. I think next year could be another bad year before he really ramps up the acquisitions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 https://nesn.com/2022/03/hampus-lindholm-gushes-about-bruins-teammates-fans-after-debut/ “I felt good. I love that feeling,” Lindholm said. “A little butterflies, a little nervous getting out there. That’s why you play the game. The fans here are unbelievable. I have to say thank you to them for supporting the whole game. It was so loud out there. It makes it more fun to play. “There’s a few things in the d-zone that were a little new,” he said. “I think I like this way of playing a little bit more. I like to be in front of the net. and be the one battling and boxing out. That kind of plays to my strengths. It’s better for me in a way, but obviously it’s going to take a little bit of adjusting.” “It feels great to be out there,” Lindholm said. “We have a great group of guys. There’s players on this team that make plays that normal guys don’t just make. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted March 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, tommer-1 said: https://nesn.com/2022/03/hampus-lindholm-gushes-about-bruins-teammates-fans-after-debut/ “I felt good. I love that feeling,” Lindholm said. “A little butterflies, a little nervous getting out there. That’s why you play the game. The fans here are unbelievable. I have to say thank you to them for supporting the whole game. It was so loud out there. It makes it more fun to play. “There’s a few things in the d-zone that were a little new,” he said. “I think I like this way of playing a little bit more. I like to be in front of the net. and be the one battling and boxing out. That kind of plays to my strengths. It’s better for me in a way, but obviously it’s going to take a little bit of adjusting.” “It feels great to be out there,” Lindholm said. “We have a great group of guys. There’s players on this team that make plays that normal guys don’t just make. sigh....im really happy he feels this way....but i think it's really gonna show just how much Eakins was the issue here.....and losing Yawney.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 28 minutes ago, Jasoaks said: sigh....im really happy he feels this way....but i think it's really gonna show just how much Eakins was the issue here.....and losing Yawney.... Yeah, without being pointed, those quotes were still telling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanSince1993 Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) Fowler definitely needs to move on with his career as well. If he still has a little pride of himself, he should waive his 28-teams no trade clause and ask Ducks management for a trade. Edited March 25, 2022 by FanSince1993 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer_12 Posted March 26, 2022 Report Share Posted March 26, 2022 19 hours ago, Aksun said: When we drafted him 6th in 2012 it was somewhat of an expectation he would go on to become a staple. Much like getting Bobby Ryan in 2005 - Lindholm when he was drafted was viewed as a franchise player. Sad that it had to end the business way. Lindholm was actually thought to be a reach at #6. I just looked it up to make sure, and McKenzie’s rankings (based on scouts) had him at #15. The highest I found was Sportsnet at #11. Many places had him in the later part of the 1st round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisix Posted March 26, 2022 Report Share Posted March 26, 2022 10 hours ago, Spencer_12 said: Lindholm was actually thought to be a reach at #6. I just looked it up to make sure, and McKenzie’s rankings (based on scouts) had him at #15. The highest I found was Sportsnet at #11. Many places had him in the later part of the 1st round. Since you looked it up - could you post the top 20 D that went in the draft that year, in order? I know I’m asking for something I should find myself, so feel free to ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer_12 Posted March 26, 2022 Report Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Fisix said: Since you looked it up - could you post the top 20 D that went in the draft that year, in order? I know I’m asking for something I should find myself, so feel free to ignore. I’ll just link McKenzie‘s top 30 overall. It contains the top 13 D. Lindholm was #8. https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tsn-bob-mckenzie-top-30-thread.1210711/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted March 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Spencer_12 said: I’ll just link McKenzie‘s top 30 overall. It contains the top 13 D. Lindholm was #8. https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tsn-bob-mckenzie-top-30-thread.1210711/ really goes to show you how difficult it is to properly really rate 18 year-olds and properly judge how much an nhl impact they will have....lol....this list especially haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted March 26, 2022 Report Share Posted March 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jasoaks said: really goes to show you how difficult it is to properly really rate 18 year-olds and properly judge how much an nhl impact they will have....lol....this list especially haha 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 Lindholm has turned out to be the 6th most valuable player from that draft, so Murray got that one right - behind three goalies, Forsberg, and Rielly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisix Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/26/2022 at 4:42 PM, Spencer_12 said: I’ll just link McKenzie‘s top 30 overall. It contains the top 13 D. Lindholm was #8. https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tsn-bob-mckenzie-top-30-thread.1210711/ Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/26/2022 at 10:02 PM, Gorbachav55 said: Lindholm has turned out to be the 6th most valuable player from that draft, so Murray got that one right - behind three goalies, Forsberg, and Rielly. Was he, though? Filip Forsberg, Morgan Rielly, Matt Dumba, Jacob Trouba, Teuvo Teravainen, Jaccob Slavin, Vasilevskiy, Hellebucyk, Tom Wilson, Tomas Hertl, Matt Murray, Colton Parayko, Freddie Andersen, Josh Anderson, Connor Brown - is he the sixth most valuable player out of that group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, tommer-1 said: Was he, though? Filip Forsberg, Morgan Rielly, Matt Dumba, Jacob Trouba, Teuvo Teravainen, Jaccob Slavin, Vasilevskiy, Hellebucyk, Tom Wilson, Tomas Hertl, Matt Murray, Colton Parayko, Freddie Andersen, Josh Anderson, Connor Brown - is he the sixth most valuable player out of that group? Absolutely. He's behind Hellebuyck, Andersen, and Vasilevskiy, along with Forsberg and Rielly. I'd take his career thus far over all the other players in that draft, and most of the others you list aren't even close. Trouba and Slavin are in the ballpark, and Hertl, if he keeps up his production, might eventually pass him in value. As mediocre as Lindholm has been lately, he was a defensive stalwart for years and years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said: Absolutely. He's behind Hellebuyck, Andersen, and Vasilevskiy, along with Forsberg and Rielly. I'd take his career thus far over all the other players in that draft, and most of the others you list aren't even close. Trouba and Slavin are in the ballpark, and Hertl, if he keeps up his production, might eventually pass him in value. As mediocre as Lindholm has been lately, he was a defensive stalwart for years and years. Yeah, I'd have Hertl in front of him, as well as Paryko and Dumba and Teravainen and Wilson. Maybe Slavin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, tommer-1 said: Yeah, I'd have Hertl in front of him, as well as Paryko and Dumba and Teravainen and Wilson. Maybe Slavin. I vehemently disagree, as does the hockeyreference point shares system, which puts Lindholm well in front of all those guys. If you're talking about projected value in the future, that's a different conversation and I'd move some guys ahead of him, given his fall off in play (although that might change if he rebounds with Boston). But there's no question Lindholm has been more valuable to this point than those guys outside maybe Slavin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Gorbachav55 said: I vehemently disagree, as does the hockeyreference point shares system, which puts Lindholm well in front of all those guys. If you're talking about projected value in the future, that's a different conversation and I'd move some guys ahead of him, given his fall off in play (although that might change if he rebounds with Boston). But there's no question Lindholm has been more valuable to this point than those guys outside maybe Slavin. I just don't see that over the last four seasons, which is not the future, or a small sample size. His first 5 seasons compared to his last 4 seasons are a stark contrast. https://www.nhl.com/player/hampus-lindholm-8476854 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, tommer-1 said: I just don't see that over the last four seasons, which is not the future, or a small sample size. His first 5 seasons compared to his last 4 seasons are a stark contrast. https://www.nhl.com/player/hampus-lindholm-8476854 Ok...but we weren't talking about the last four seasons. We're talking about careers to date. Which, if we're evaluating Murray's decision in that draft, are all that matters, since he couldn't control what Lindholm would do after this season anyway. Lindholm has been, to date, the 6th most valuable player from the 2012 draft. He will probably be passed by a few guys who are late(r) bloomers before their careers are over, and you could argue Trouba and Slavin have been more valuable (although Trouba's future value is at least as uncertain as Lindholm's), but I don't think the others match up to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Gorbachav55 said: Ok...but we weren't talking about the last four seasons. We're talking about careers to date. Which, if we're evaluating Murray's decision in that draft, are all that matters, since he couldn't control what Lindholm would do after this season anyway. Lindholm has been, to date, the 6th most valuable player from the 2012 draft. He will probably be passed by a few guys who are late(r) bloomers before their careers are over, and you could argue Trouba and Slavin have been more valuable (although Trouba's future value is at least as uncertain as Lindholm's), but I don't think the others match up to this point. He's a good player, but as far as careers, I just don't see his career as easily or convincingly superior to Parayko's, Dumba's, Wilson's, Hertl's, and Teravainen's, as well as the other five guys you mentioned. I'd say it's all easily debatable. He does not "stand out" from that pack. He's just one of the guys in the mix who has had a good career. That's really the story of the 2012 NHL Entry draft. Only Vasilevskiy and Forsberg really stand out, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 52 minutes ago, tommer-1 said: He's a good player, but as far as careers, I just don't see his career as easily or convincingly superior to Parayko's, Dumba's, Wilson's, Hertl's, and Teravainen's, as well as the other five guys you mentioned. I'd say it's all easily debatable. He does not "stand out" from that pack. He's just one of the guys in the mix who has had a good career. That's really the story of the 2012 NHL Entry draft. Only Vasilevskiy and Forsberg really stand out, imo. He doesn't stand out because his value is mostly in defense, which is difficult to measure, and he's been in Anaheim, which is largely ignored by mainstream hockey media. We'll just have to disagree, because the numbers point to him being better than all but Rielly and Forsberg (among skaters), and that seems reasonable and correct to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 You guys think Lindholm deserves some early talk about a Norris nomination? Yes it's early, but we are 10 games in and he's 3rd among D in points (more than a pt per game) and tied for 2nd OA for +/- and averaging 24 min a night...on the PK, on the PP, even strength...scored a gwg in OT...and all of this to help the Bruins start 9-1-0 and with an injured blue line... Yes, too early to tell...but it's a great start for him and just great to see him finally flourishing for the league to see 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g20topdogg Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, Jasoaks said: You guys think Lindholm deserves some early talk about a Norris nomination? Yes it's early, but we are 10 games in and he's 3rd among D in points (more than a pt per game) and tied for 2nd OA for +/- and averaging 24 min a night...on the PK, on the PP, even strength...scored a gwg in OT...and all of this to help the Bruins start 9-1-0 and with an injured blue line... Yes, too early to tell...but it's a great start for him and just great to see him finally flourishing for the league to see If he keeps this up I think he would get votes. Though that EK65 guy is pretty good to start the season as well. I understand Lindholm is in a different situation and that he probably wouldn't be playing like that here but I think this just kind of shows our current coaches and systems aren't working. We scratched Mahura but he seems to be doing fine in Florida. 🤷♂️ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, g20topdogg said: If he keeps this up I think he would get votes. Though that EK65 guy is pretty good to start the season as well. I understand Lindholm is in a different situation and that he probably wouldn't be playing like that here but I think this just kind of shows our current coaches and systems aren't working. We scratched Mahura but he seems to be doing fine in Florida. 🤷♂️ Yeah, it hurts to see how well he's doing in Boston. If there was any indication we would get THAT Lindholm, I would have been a lot more vociferous about re-signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoxxey Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 It's what real, good, NHL coaching does for a player. He never had that in Anaheim. (well maybe BB) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g20topdogg Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 3 hours ago, hoxxey said: It's what real, good, NHL coaching does for a player. He never had that in Anaheim. (well maybe BB) Absolutely. If we had better coaching we wouldn't be at the bottom of the league. If you want to be in the lottery sweepstakes, Eakins is your guy. The other thing that bothers me is that guys who will be shipped out will get a lower return and we get rid of players who might actually be decent with the right coaching but instead we get rid of them because Eakins is a bad coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g20topdogg Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Is it also a coincidence that some of the players we have/had, like Fowler or Lindholm had some of their best years during the BB era? Do you guys think Getzy and the leadership regret the removal of BB and begin the decline in coaching? I mean RCs first year was pretty good but after that it goes down hill pretty fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 hours ago, g20topdogg said: Absolutely. If we had better coaching we wouldn't be at the bottom of the league. If you want to be in the lottery sweepstakes, Eakins is your guy. The other thing that bothers me is that guys who will be shipped out will get a lower return and we get rid of players who might actually be decent with the right coaching but instead we get rid of them because Eakins is a bad coach. the people who know/matter can tell who's a good player just with bad coaching or who's bad regardless of a coach. If they've had enough time in the league (ie rookies and prospects are harder to really judge that on). I don't think we get the return we got for Manson or Lindholm if that wasn't the case. GMs, agents, other players etc...they can tell. Fans will always have their own opinions on the matter no matter how long they've been a fan, but none of us really have the same eye or insider perspective and intuition as someone who is in a locker room day in and day out for decades. I didn't like that we parted ways with Lindholm...but I get why PV did it. He just didn't think Lindholm would be worth the money when he's 35/36... (which I personally think is insane at the price) but also, Lindholm is currently in his prime...he'd be a part of us being a better team this year. PV isn't really interested in having a "good team" this year...even if he never says that, his actions say it all. Lindholm makes sense to be on a team that's still going for it and will be for a few more seasons. Which is unfortunate that Sweeney thinks that's the case for the Bruins lol but also, I disagree with PV that Lindholm had no place on this younger team. He could have been an incredible mentor for Drysdale. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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