Gorbachav55 Posted May 23 Author Report Share Posted May 23 Thanks for your service, Dallas. Go with God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g20topdogg Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 5 hours ago, dtsdlaw said: Eakins on The Athletic podcast today: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-athletic-hockey-show-a-show-about-the-nhl/id1546282862?i=1000614034661 At the 30:20 mark, from Eakins’ own mouth…. ”That high pick, it was necessary. It was SO necessary. The organization needed a top-3 pick this year. It was just absolutely necessary. I know the record looks bad, but it’s basically Mission Accomplished.” Oh wow. So then everyone with a tin foil hat on this year.... I'm sorry we never believed you. But I do wonder if PV also had this in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksun Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 (edited) How'd he make the players buy in? Limit their ice time? Threaten to post their nude pics from the shower online? I'd much easier believe in the lotto being rigged in favor of Chicago than this. Edited May 24 by Aksun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisix Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 You’re reading too much into what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseDuck Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 Since we are talking about Expectations...Anyone have any "Expectations" For the Ducks 30th Anniversary season/Year? DuckPrde 4ever MooseDuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksun Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 3 hours ago, MooseDuck said: Since we are talking about Expectations...Anyone have any "Expectations" For the Ducks 30th Anniversary season/Year? DuckPrde 4ever MooseDuck Make the Playoffs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belarus Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 3 hours ago, MooseDuck said: Anyone have any "Expectations" For the Ducks 30th Anniversary season/Year? I'll be really disappointed if we go backwards and get worse in the standings... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseDuck Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 46 minutes ago, Belarus said: I'll be really disappointed if we go backwards and get worse in the standings... I hope that NEVER Happens...just hope it is only once. DuckPride 4ever MooseDuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ike8228 Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 4 hours ago, Belarus said: I'll be really disappointed if we go backwards and get worse in the standings... They introduce a 33rd team and they place 32nd and we are last…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisix Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 41 minutes ago, ike8228 said: They introduce a 33rd team and they place 32nd and we are last…. Or the Yotes evaporate and we’re still at the bottom with even less competition for rock bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazonator Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 I just know watching these playoffs is that I miss the rush of watching Duck Playoff hockey! We need to get back it’s been way too long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT2008 Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 I would be disappointed if we see stop gap veterans getting ice time. Regardless of record, it is critical to see what talent we actually have in the system. They need to be playing at the NHL level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskduckfan Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 On 5/27/2023 at 1:18 PM, MooseDuck said: Since we are talking about Expectations...Anyone have any "Expectations" For the Ducks 30th Anniversary season/Year? DuckPrde 4ever MooseDuck At this point in time, another last place finish. We havent had the draft or free agency so who knows what players are coming in. So far with who is under contract, I dont have high expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 The question of the day on NHL Network Radio today was "What is your team's identity?" Great question for this team. The last four seasons it has basically been "Losers". Not fun to watch. Not hard to play against. Not skilled, but unphysical. Not physical, but unskilled. Not high scoring, but can't keep pucks out of their own net. Not defensively staunch, but can't score. Just bad hockey. That has become old. Who are they, come October, 2023? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 On 4/13/2023 at 8:57 AM, Fisix said: i guess i give them a slightly higher grade, but mainly because i haven't seen Eichel lighting it up as much as it seemed he would based on the ask Adams was floating around the league, at least at first. looking at his stats this year (wow that +-), he's slightly less than a point per game. he's definitely a valuable player. i guess i might feel differently if i watched Vegas play a lot. big test for him coming up. Aced it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtsdlaw Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 23 minutes ago, tommer-1 said: The question of the day on NHL Network Radio today was "What is your team's identity?" Great question for this team. The last four seasons it has basically been "Losers". Not fun to watch. Not hard to play against. Not skilled, but unphysical. Not physical, but unskilled. Not high scoring, but can't keep pucks out of their own net. Not defensively staunch, but can't score. Just bad hockey. That has become old. Who are they, come October, 2023? I expect to see a faster, more aggressive forecheck and better puck retrieval and transition on the backend. And most importantly, we'll hopefully see better defensive coverage in front of our own net. I would be really surprised and disappointed if teams were able to skate free between our circles for open shots ten times per game like they were last season. But to answer your question about identity, I think it's going to be exactly what Cronin and Verbeek have been talking about - an aggressive, in-your-face forechecking team that tries to force more dump-ins that the D-men can retrieve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtsdlaw Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 On 5/28/2023 at 12:36 PM, DT2008 said: I would be disappointed if we see stop gap veterans getting ice time. Regardless of record, it is critical to see what talent we actually have in the system. They need to be playing at the NHL level I see this comment a lot, and I just don't really agree with it. At least not in the context that I understand it. If players are not yet having success at the AHL level, we shouldn't need to see them at the NHL level to "know what we have". I'm totally fine with making them show they can play professional hockey against men at the AHL level before putting them in the big show. I personally believe that if you flood the NHL roster with young guys who are not capable of playing at the NHL level, you're just going to hurt the development of the yoyng guys who already have proven they can play there. For example, Mason McTavish would likely take larger steps forward in his development playing with a veteran "stop gap" winger like JVR, Zucker, or Killorn than a 22-year-old Brayden Tracey or 21-year-old Jacob Perreault (both were not good in San Diego last season). So the primary focus IMO should be on making sure our elite-level prospects turn into elite-level NHL players, not on figuring out whether average AHLers can become average NHLers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 15 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said: I expect to see a faster, more aggressive forecheck and better puck retrieval and transition on the backend. And most importantly, we'll hopefully see better defensive coverage in front of our own net. I would be really surprised and disappointed if teams were able to skate free between our circles for open shots ten times per game like they were last season. But to answer your question about identity, I think it's going to be exactly what Cronin and Verbeek have been talking about - an aggressive, in-your-face forechecking team that tries to force more dump-ins that the D-men can retrieve. Please, God. No more passive hockey. Move your FEET, boys!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said: I see this comment a lot, and I just don't really agree with it. At least not in the context that I understand it. If players are not yet having success at the AHL level, we shouldn't need to see them at the NHL level to "know what we have". I'm totally fine with making them show they can play professional hockey against men at the AHL level before putting them in the big show. I personally believe that if you flood the NHL roster with young guys who are not capable of playing at the NHL level, you're just going to hurt the development of the yoyng guys who already have proven they can play there. For example, Mason McTavish would likely take larger steps forward in his development playing with a veteran "stop gap" winger like JVR, Zucker, or Killorn than a 22-year-old Brayden Tracey or 21-year-old Jacob Perreault (both were not good in San Diego last season). So the primary focus IMO should be on making sure our elite-level prospects turn into elite-level NHL players, not on figuring out whether average AHLers can become average NHLers. Zegras/Terry/Domi McTavish/Henrique/Zucker Strome/Fantilli/Vatrano Lundestrom/McGinn/Jones Take those pairs, and then find them vet NHL'ers to play with. You already have Vatrano, and then there is Carrick and Jones. And there are kids like Nesterenko and Regenda, but those guys should be bolstering SD's roster. Find two guys like Zucker and Domi, just as an example, to play a couple of years with the kids to shepherd them along in the ways of longevity and success in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT2008 Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 7 hours ago, dtsdlaw said: I see this comment a lot, and I just don't really agree with it. At least not in the context that I understand it. If players are not yet having success at the AHL level, we shouldn't need to see them at the NHL level to "know what we have". I'm totally fine with making them show they can play professional hockey against men at the AHL level before putting them in the big show. I personally believe that if you flood the NHL roster with young guys who are not capable of playing at the NHL level, you're just going to hurt the development of the yoyng guys who already have proven they can play there. For example, Mason McTavish would likely take larger steps forward in his development playing with a veteran "stop gap" winger like JVR, Zucker, or Killorn than a 22-year-old Brayden Tracey or 21-year-old Jacob Perreault (both were not good in San Diego last season). So the primary focus IMO should be on making sure our elite-level prospects turn into elite-level NHL players, not on figuring out whether average AHLers can become average NHLers. The reason I feel very strongly about playing the rookies is that management tries to hide behind the magic beans philosophy. “Don’t worry fans, trust us. Success is just a few years away. We just need to let our prospects develop”. Well I am of the mindset that you can develop quicker in the NHL than in the AHL. In fact, my sense is that the top players need little if any time in the AHL. I’m no longer patient. I want to see what we got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotchabari Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 On 5/23/2023 at 7:49 PM, Fisix said: You’re reading too much into what he said. Agreed. Making the comment doesn't establish intent. You can stumble into "mission accomplished." With the amount of near misses in the heat of things, it just couldn't have been intentional unless they were REALLY good shots and missed inches each. But if they could do that, then why wouldn't they just be great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotchabari Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 On 5/28/2023 at 12:36 PM, DT2008 said: I would be disappointed if we see stop gap veterans getting ice time. Regardless of record, it is critical to see what talent we actually have in the system. They need to be playing at the NHL level I agree with this to a degree. Getting NHL time and getting discouraged by handling more than you can is a fine line. I'm fine with protecting the minutes of the true newborns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g20topdogg Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 49 minutes ago, gotchabari said: I agree with this to a degree. Getting NHL time and getting discouraged by handling more than you can is a fine line. I'm fine with protecting the minutes of the true newborns. Exactly. Nothing wrong with a little seasoning. Fowler I think is an example of that. He should have spent more time in the minors developing. Instead he skipped all that and I think he never became the defenseman he could have been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseDuck Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 On 6/20/2023 at 2:42 PM, tommer-1 said: Zegras/Terry/Domi McTavish/Henrique/Zucker Strome/Fantilli/Vatrano Lundestrom/McGinn/Jones Take those pairs, and then find them vet NHL'ers to play with. You already have Vatrano, and then there is Carrick and Jones. And there are kids like Nesterenko and Regenda, but those guys should be bolstering SD's roster. Find two guys like Zucker and Domi, just as an example, to play a couple of years with the kids to shepherd them along in the ways of longevity and success in the league. Would not mind IF the Ducks get Zucker and Domi.. DuckPride 4ever MooseDuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 The problem with ALL of these UFA's is that NONE of them are linked to the Ducks. Doesn't mean they can't/won't get any of them, but all the teams being talked about are either Cup contenders or playoff teams, or even cusp playoff teams. The Ducks are just not in the mix for that, but they have to turn the corner somehow, and maybe getting one of these guys could help to turn them into a destination in the future. Baby steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtsdlaw Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 40 minutes ago, tommer-1 said: The problem with ALL of these UFA's is that NONE of them are linked to the Ducks. Doesn't mean they can't/won't get any of them, but all the teams being talked about are either Cup contenders or playoff teams, or even cusp playoff teams. The Ducks are just not in the mix for that, but they have to turn the corner somehow, and maybe getting one of these guys could help to turn them into a destination in the future. Baby steps. I'm starting to have a sinking feeling in my gut that, outside of the #2 pick, this offseason is going to end up being a giant let down. We're in a perfect position to take a big leap forward with the new coach, massive amounts of cap space, tons of assets that can be used in trades, and young players ready to take big steps, etc. but I can't shake Elliott Friedman's recent comments on his podcast that he is expecting Verbeek to be really patient with this rebuild and that Verbeek "isn't going to mind being bad again next season." I'm still hopeful that Verbeek tries to improve the team by bringing in outside help, but I think odds are decently high that we see no significant moves to get better for next season. I think the worst case scenario would be (a) Shattenkirk, Vaakanainen, White, and Benoit all back on the blueline, (b) all of the kids sent to San Diego or juniors, (c) our #2 draft pick staying in college/Sweden/Russia, (d) no significant veterans added via trade or free agency, and (e) short term extensions for Zegras/Terry. I really hope that all doesn't happen, but anyone else feeling the despair creeping in? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 9 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said: I'm starting to have a sinking feeling in my gut that, outside of the #2 pick, this offseason is going to end up being a giant let down. We're in a perfect position to take a big leap forward with the new coach, massive amounts of cap space, tons of assets that can be used in trades, and young players ready to take big steps, etc. but I can't shake Elliott Friedman's recent comments on his podcast that he is expecting Verbeek to be really patient with this rebuild and that Verbeek "isn't going to mind being bad again next season." I'm still hopeful that Verbeek tries to improve the team by bringing in outside help, but I think odds are decently high that we see no significant moves to get better for next season. I think the worst case scenario would be (a) Shattenkirk, Vaakanainen, White, and Benoit all back on the blueline, (b) all of the kids sent to San Diego or juniors, (c) our #2 draft pick staying in college/Sweden/Russia, (d) no significant veterans added via trade or free agency, and (e) short term extensions for Zegras/Terry. I really hope that all doesn't happen, but anyone else feeling the despair creeping in? I think it may be, too, and I think fans are going to want to put that on GMPV, which is why I posted what I did. We can want to get these players, Pat can want to get these players, Cronin can want to get these players. Outside of trades, unfortunately, free agents are, above all else, FREE. ANA is kind of a tough sell at this point. As for trades, well, you gotta give to get. Not sure they Ducks want to give up much but cap space/$$$ right now. Anything valuable that probably should hold onto, and any trades that move the needle are gonna require something of value going the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoxxey Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 21 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said: I'm starting to have a sinking feeling in my gut that, outside of the #2 pick, this offseason is going to end up being a giant let down. We're in a perfect position to take a big leap forward with the new coach, massive amounts of cap space, tons of assets that can be used in trades, and young players ready to take big steps, etc. but I can't shake Elliott Friedman's recent comments on his podcast that he is expecting Verbeek to be really patient with this rebuild and that Verbeek "isn't going to mind being bad again next season." I'm still hopeful that Verbeek tries to improve the team by bringing in outside help, but I think odds are decently high that we see no significant moves to get better for next season. I think the worst case scenario would be (a) Shattenkirk, Vaakanainen, White, and Benoit all back on the blueline, (b) all of the kids sent to San Diego or juniors, (c) our #2 draft pick staying in college/Sweden/Russia, (d) no significant veterans added via trade or free agency, and (e) short term extensions for Zegras/Terry. I really hope that all doesn't happen, but anyone else feeling the despair creeping in? I completely agree with you on this. It makes it hard to be a fan of the ducks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer_12 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 16 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said: I'm starting to have a sinking feeling in my gut that, outside of the #2 pick, this offseason is going to end up being a giant let down. We're in a perfect position to take a big leap forward with the new coach, massive amounts of cap space, tons of assets that can be used in trades, and young players ready to take big steps, etc. but I can't shake Elliott Friedman's recent comments on his podcast that he is expecting Verbeek to be really patient with this rebuild and that Verbeek "isn't going to mind being bad again next season." I'm still hopeful that Verbeek tries to improve the team by bringing in outside help, but I think odds are decently high that we see no significant moves to get better for next season. I think the worst case scenario would be (a) Shattenkirk, Vaakanainen, White, and Benoit all back on the blueline, (b) all of the kids sent to San Diego or juniors, (c) our #2 draft pick staying in college/Sweden/Russia, (d) no significant veterans added via trade or free agency, and (e) short term extensions for Zegras/Terry. I really hope that all doesn't happen, but anyone else feeling the despair creeping in? Only thing that would bother me is short term extensions for Zegras and Terry. Unfortunately the Ducks waited too long to rebuild so we’re in the position that we’re in. We hit with Zegras, McTavish is heading that way, and the jury is still out with Drysdale. Other than that, all our best prospects are still in junior, and some have big question marks (Zellweger’s size potentially limiting his impact in the NHL, Gaucher‘s offense translating to higher levels, and whether or not Pastujov will even be a NHL player). I think a lot of Ducks fans are getting impatient with losing, and that’s kind of blinded them to the reality that the team is probably further away than they want to admit. We have cap space and assets, but the way I see fans talk about them being able to be used to quickly to turn the team into a contender seems closer to a pipe dream than reality. I think going slower with the rebuild is probably better for long term sustained success. This could all change if next season some of these young guys take massive steps sooner than anticipated. If that happens the Ducks could speed things up, but you can’t plan for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 (edited) 45 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said: I'm starting to have a sinking feeling in my gut that, outside of the #2 pick, this offseason is going to end up being a giant let down. We're in a perfect position to take a big leap forward with the new coach, massive amounts of cap space, tons of assets that can be used in trades, and young players ready to take big steps, etc. but I can't shake Elliott Friedman's recent comments on his podcast that he is expecting Verbeek to be really patient with this rebuild and that Verbeek "isn't going to mind being bad again next season." I'm still hopeful that Verbeek tries to improve the team by bringing in outside help, but I think odds are decently high that we see no significant moves to get better for next season. I think the worst case scenario would be (a) Shattenkirk, Vaakanainen, White, and Benoit all back on the blueline, (b) all of the kids sent to San Diego or juniors, (c) our #2 draft pick staying in college/Sweden/Russia, (d) no significant veterans added via trade or free agency, and (e) short term extensions for Zegras/Terry. I really hope that all doesn't happen, but anyone else feeling the despair creeping in? I feel like they can get a decent bump just with Cronin behind the bench, but I only see that getting them to around 80 points or so. To do better than that they will need better personnel. I also think that if they pick Fantilli, he's coming. He can play immediately - he is ready for the style of play in the NHL - like McTavish, unlike Slafkovsky - and I feel like ANA is going to give him the best fit as far as getting minutes and getting to play with some decent players (unlike if he was going to be picked by CHI). I'm a HUUUUUGE opponent of "not minding being bad next season". Not sure what GMPV's exact words were, or how much Friedmann extrapolated to get to that take, but imo that is a loser attitude. Sorry, it just is. Cup contender next season? Of course not. Picking guaranteed top 6 or something? Brutal. If you consecutively picked #9 OA, #6 OA, #3 OA, #10 OA, #2 OA - AND you picked 3 C's and 2 D with those 5 picks - you had best be getting better, like, yesterday. What are you waiting for? To drive more fans away? To sell fewer tickets? To be LESS attractive to FAs? I don't get that mentality. Just suck every frakin' year then, and pick Top 5 for 10 straight years. Brilliant plan. Edited June 22 by tommer-1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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