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Well, the book shelf is in the kids' room, so it's out of line of sight for projectiles. As for the bar cabinet, that's where I keep the booze.  With Eakins at the helm, that's the most important

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I don't think this is healthy, Bombay. It's like keeping track of who a girl dates after she turned you down.  Thrun just wasn't that into us. Oh well. Our cupboards are stocked with young D-men.

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It’s the Ducks, so I don’t bet against them in playing themselves out of the desired draft spots. If Chicago gets Bedard, then there is no justice.

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2 hours ago, Spencer_12 said:

It would have been nice to lose to the Habs when it became 2-2. Got to see some good play, and then could have gotten a good tank result too. Ah well, can’t lose them all. Not even halfway through the season yet so a lot can happen; hopefully we can keep this tanknation going strong.

I do think they need a win every now and again just to keep from going insane. But yeah, I admit I thought the same thing. 

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The tank's taken a big hit the last couple days.  Obviously the Ducks' wins are issues, but hey, we're Ducks fans, so we can't be too mad about that.  It's nice to see the guys get some confidence back.  They're going to need it.

But the rest of the league is not helping out - Chicago continues to suck like it's going out of style.  Columbus, Philly, and Arizona all lost today.  Our last hope is the Sharks beating the Kings, which is always nice to root for.  They're tied in the 2nd period.  It's a mad dash to the bottom of the toilet bowl.

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11 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said:

The tank's taken a big hit the last couple days.  Obviously the Ducks' wins are issues, but hey, we're Ducks fans, so we can't be too mad about that.  It's nice to see the guys get some confidence back.  They're going to need it.

But the rest of the league is not helping out - Chicago continues to suck like it's going out of style.  Columbus, Philly, and Arizona all lost today.  Our last hope is the Sharks beating the Kings, which is always nice to root for.  They're tied in the 2nd period.  It's a mad dash to the bottom of the toilet bowl.

Yeah, I got a sickening feeling that we won’t get a draft slot commiserate with how bad this team is

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11 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

Yeah, I got a sickening feeling that we won’t get a draft slot commiserate with how bad this team is

Yes, but what if the team is better? Ultimately isn't that what we all want? If we see our current players continue this progression, that is collectively better than they stall in development but we get 1 phenomenal player. Although, PV seems to be all about short term loss, long term gains...which is great! And don't get me wrong, no doubt we are a better team next season with a top-4 pick in this draft than a 5-13 pick. And could go a long way in having us be a competitive team for a very good amount of time...and could change the trajectory of this franchise...and...I feel like I lost my point....

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3 hours ago, tommer-1 said:

I think I'm going to root for Eakins finally figuring it out v. drafting Bedard, since the odds for the former are probably close to the odds for the latter.

I don't think he's figured anything out. Dostal came in and played 2 incredible games. He still faced 49 shots against the Oilers.

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2 hours ago, perry_mvp said:

I don't think he's figured anything out. Dostal came in and played 2 incredible games. He still faced 49 shots against the Oilers.

He's had 6 seasons. It's not going to happen. He's a bad NHL coach. At worst, the Ducks should have a 6% chance at Bedard. The chances Eakins learns how to coach are asymptotically approaching zero. 

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10 hours ago, Gorbachav55 said:

He's had 6 seasons. It's not going to happen. He's a bad NHL coach. At worst, the Ducks should have a 6% chance at Bedard. The chances Eakins learns how to coach are asymptotically approaching zero. 

 

13 hours ago, perry_mvp said:

I don't think he's figured anything out. Dostal came in and played 2 incredible games. He still faced 49 shots against the Oilers.

They could end up with anywhere from a 5% - 11.5% chance of picking 1OA. I'm not sure they will finish bottom 2 at this point.  They could, but the problem all season is that they do not have a bottom 5 roster, yet they have played like the worst team in the league. So much depends upon other teams and the TDL, as well as the Ducks' play on the ice.

I'd give Eakins about a 5% chance of figuring it out at this point.  No way I'm counting on it, just saying the odds are close to the same as picking 1OA, imo.

Pretty close.  I'd rather they be getting better as a team than losing all the time and hoping some 17-year-old is gonna be a Godsend.  

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2 hours ago, tommer-1 said:

 

I'd give Eakins about a 5% chance of figuring it out at this point.  No way I'm counting on it, just saying the odds are close to the same as picking 1OA, imo.

 

All due respect, but where is that number coming from?  His points percentage as a coach is 7th worst in NHL history, and he's trending downward.  The only guy who has been as bad as he has for this long and later had any kind of success is Rick Bowness, and it took a 16-year break from being a head coach to figure it out.  I think there's a chance the Ducks play at a somewhat better pace over the rest of the season because of your other point - their roster shouldn't be this bad.  But with Eakins as coach, the whole is far less than the sum of the parts because he doesn't know how to use these guys.  He's not going to figure anything out at this stage of his career.

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Pretty close.  I'd rather they be getting better as a team than losing all the time and hoping some 17-year-old is gonna be a Godsend.  

That's what you need to win in this league, though.  You could argue that the Blues didn't really have a roster built that way (Pietrangelo was a 4OA pick but was a veteran when they won) and possibly Boston (they had Tyler Seguin at 2OA but he wasn't yet a star player when they won the Cup, plus his pick was acquired via trade).  But all the other teams who have won Cups recently have done so on the backs of transcendent players they picked at the top of the draft - Colorado (MacKinnon and Makar), Tampa (Stamkos and Hedman), Chicago (Kane and Toews), LA (Doughty), Pittsburgh (Crosby and Malkin), Washington (Ovechkin).  It's not a strict necessity, but it's very hard to do it differently.

I don't ever root for them to lose on game day, but I don't think winning is going to help them nearly as much as getting the best odds they can to draft a potential superstar prospect.

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All due respect, but where is that number coming from?  His points percentage as a coach is 7th worst in NHL history, and he's trending downward.  The only guy who has been as bad as he has for this long and later had any kind of success is Rick Bowness, and it took a 16-year break from being a head coach to figure it out.  I think there's a chance the Ducks play at a somewhat better pace over the rest of the season because of your other point - their roster shouldn't be this bad.  But with Eakins as coach, the whole is far less than the sum of the parts because he doesn't know how to use these guys.  He's not going to figure anything out at this stage of his career.

That's what you need to win in this league, though.  You could argue that the Blues didn't really have a roster built that way (Pietrangelo was a 4OA pick but was a veteran when they won) and possibly Boston (they had Tyler Seguin at 2OA but he wasn't yet a star player when they won the Cup, plus his pick was acquired via trade).  But all the other teams who have won Cups recently have done so on the backs of transcendent players they picked at the top of the draft - Colorado (MacKinnon and Makar), Tampa (Stamkos and Hedman), Chicago (Kane and Toews), LA (Doughty), Pittsburgh (Crosby and Malkin), Washington (Ovechkin).  It's not a strict necessity, but it's very hard to do it differently.

I don't ever root for them to lose on game day, but I don't think winning is going to help them nearly as much as getting the best odds they can to draft a potential superstar prospect.

5% is basically a prayer.  I'd say that's about right.  You wouldn't want ANYTHING even mildly significant in your life to be based upon a 5% chance of happening.

 

Great players (drafted Top 3) definitely help.  But they are not the fix for everyone.  For example, EDM, BUF, ANA, PHI, PHX/ARI, ATL/WPG, NYI, FLA, CLB, MON, TOR, NJD, DAL, CAR, NYR, CHI .  All those teams had at least one guy - and some more than one - picked in the Top 3 from 2005 - 2020.  And many of those guys were traded away.

 

I think the Ducks' future is looking pretty good with Zegras (9OA), Drysdale (6OA), McTavish (3OA), Mintyukov (10OA), and whoever they get this summer.  But I don't think Bedard is a "necessity" for them to become a contending team, or even a guarantee.  He'd be great to get, no doubt.

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8 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:

5% is basically a prayer.  I'd say that's about right.  You wouldn't want ANYTHING even mildly significant in your life to be based upon a 5% chance of happening.

 

Great players (drafted Top 3) definitely help.  But they are not the fix for everyone.  For example, EDM, BUF, ANA, PHI, PHX/ARI, ATL/WPG, NYI, FLA, CLB, MON, TOR, NJD, DAL, CAR, NYR, CHI .  All those teams had at least one guy - and some more than one - picked in the Top 3 from 2005 - 2020.  And many of those guys were traded away.

 

I think the Ducks' future is looking pretty good with Zegras (9OA), Drysdale (6OA), McTavish (3OA), Mintyukov (10OA), and whoever they get this summer.  But I don't think Bedard is a "necessity" for them to become a contending team, or even a guarantee.  He'd be great to get, no doubt.

It's really not about where you draft but after results are in where those players end up in a redraft. Though it obviously helps to draft in the top 3 because that's your best chance to get those to quality players. In a redraft does Zegras end up 9th? No. He's higher so that means we stole that top pick in a way. Redraft the 2003 draft and Getzy and Perry are likely in the top 10. That's part of the reason why we won the cup and not because we drafted Bobby Ryan 2nd overall. It's the the place you draft more than where the players end up overall. Tampa won drafts with Kucherov and Vasy among others. Edmonton lost because they drafted Yakupov who ended up being a bust despite being highly rated (at the time). It's why it's possible to "win" a drafted even if you drafted say 15th OA.

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19 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:

5% is basically a prayer.  I'd say that's about right.  You wouldn't want ANYTHING even mildly significant in your life to be based upon a 5% chance of happening.

 

Great players (drafted Top 3) definitely help.  But they are not the fix for everyone.  For example, EDM, BUF, ANA, PHI, PHX/ARI, ATL/WPG, NYI, FLA, CLB, MON, TOR, NJD, DAL, CAR, NYR, CHI .  All those teams had at least one guy - and some more than one - picked in the Top 3 from 2005 - 2020.  And many of those guys were traded away.

 

I think the Ducks' future is looking pretty good with Zegras (9OA), Drysdale (6OA), McTavish (3OA), Mintyukov (10OA), and whoever they get this summer.  But I don't think Bedard is a "necessity" for them to become a contending team, or even a guarantee.  He'd be great to get, no doubt.

Sure, there are plenty of teams who have had top picks and not been able to cash in with a Cup.  But that's a factor of the Cup going to one team per season.  Plus it's possible to get those top picks in years where the top pick isn't all that great, or you get one and fail to surround him with good talent.  The job isn't done when you get that top pick.

But you definitely need to try to get that guy in the door, and I don't think the Ducks have done that yet.  Zegras is good and should be a guy who makes some all star teams, but even if you redraft his year and call him the second or third best player, he's not a game-breaker, and I don't see him quite getting there.  McTavish is kind of in the same boat.  I'm not sure yet about Drysdale - he worries me - but I'm pretty confident he's not going to be a true #1 d-man.

If you're not going to draft a true #1 guy, the guys other teams have to game plan for, then you need to be like the Blues and have a bunch of really, really good players acquired through the draft and elsewhere.  That's tough to do in the salary cap era. 

I think the Ducks pretty much need a top-3 pick this year to compete for a Stanley Cup with the current core group of players they have in the organization (NHL and drafted players).  If not Bedard, then Fantilli or Carlsson/Michkov.  I think it's technically possible for them to win without it, but it would require a series of events that are extremely difficult to forecast. 

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15 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

Good news: on Friday it’s Columbus vs Chicago so one of those teams will begrudgingly have to get two points.

Columbus has really been coming on strong weak lately, too.  They're barely above the Ducks.

Chicago is so, so awful.  I know Kane and Toews are old, but I figured they'd be able to will the Hawks to a few wins every now and then.  Eight losses in a row says otherwise.

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