Gorbachav55 Posted January 2 Author Report Share Posted January 2 Just end the Blackhawks. The only way justice is done in this upcoming draft is if two other teams win the lottery and they slide to third, pick Michkov, and then Michkov never comes to the NHL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT2008 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 There is no way the league will allow Bedard to go anywhere but Chicago. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, DT2008 said: There is no way the league will allow Bedard to go anywhere but Chicago. Unless Pittsburgh is on the verge of bankruptcy, it's hard to say that the draft is rigged. The Red Wings would have won it at some point over the last 5 years and you wouldn't waste two #1 picks on the Devils lol. The thought of Bedard going to the most undeserving franchise makes me nauseous, even more than if he goes to San Jose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Unless Pittsburgh is on the verge of bankruptcy, it's hard to say that the draft is rigged. The Red Wings would have won it at some point over the last 5 years and you wouldn't waste two #1 picks on the Devils lol. The thought of Bedard going to the most undeserving franchise makes me nauseous, even more than if he goes to San Jose. I don't believe the drafts are rigged. It's nice to comfort ourselves with that instead of the fact that the universe is a cold, random, unfeeling place... Actually that explains why Edmonton has gotten more than its share of luck. But as you said, Chicago winning the lottery is a sickening thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry_mvp Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Unless Pittsburgh is on the verge of bankruptcy, it's hard to say that the draft is rigged. The Red Wings would have won it at some point over the last 5 years and you wouldn't waste two #1 picks on the Devils lol. The thought of Bedard going to the most undeserving franchise makes me nauseous, even more than if he goes to San Jose. You can add Columbus to that list. I mean you can argue against any team being "deserving" including Anaheim. Chicago just went that extra mile for no reason really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 41 minutes ago, perry_mvp said: You can add Columbus to that list. I mean you can argue against any team being "deserving" including Anaheim. Chicago just went that extra mile for no reason really. Chicago really is undeserving though lol. They deserve to suffer for a couple decades. 44 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said: I don't believe the drafts are rigged. It's nice to comfort ourselves with that instead of the fact that the universe is a cold, random, unfeeling place... Actually that explains why Edmonton has gotten more than its share of luck. But as you said, Chicago winning the lottery is a sickening thought. Yeah, I don’t think that they are either but we need to get lucky just once. We are 0-30! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksun Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 27 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Chicago really is undeserving though lol. They deserve to suffer for a couple decades. Yeah, I don’t think that they are either but we need to get lucky just once. We are 0-30! NHL and Ducks' draft hopes don't go hand in hand historically - no draft held in the city still and of course no #1 pick. Just let him lace them up for Chicago after the WJC and spare us the hopeless spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 After this Bedard performance in the WJC.... I think 30 teams may be deciding they want to tank for the rest of the season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 10 hours ago, Gorbachav55 said: I don't believe the drafts are rigged. It's nice to comfort ourselves with that instead of the fact that the universe is a cold, random, unfeeling place... Actually that explains why Edmonton has gotten more than its share of luck. But as you said, Chicago winning the lottery is a sickening thought. I also don't believe it's rigged...we would have seen Arizona winning any of the lotteries...especially the Matthews one! But Arizona is only 5th last and could easily win it this year. I wouldn't HATE it. But if Chicago gets it...ugh... Right now StL, Nashville, Florida, Vancouver, Philly, Montreal, Arizona, San Jose, Columbus, Anaheim, and Chicago could get Bedard. There are some other pretty frustrating teams on this list too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jasoaks said: I also don't believe it's rigged...we would have seen Arizona winning any of the lotteries...especially the Matthews one! But Arizona is only 5th last and could easily win it this year. I wouldn't HATE it. But if Chicago gets it...ugh... Right now StL, Nashville, Florida, Vancouver, Philly, Montreal, Arizona, San Jose, Columbus, Anaheim, and Chicago could get Bedard. There are some other pretty frustrating teams on this list too.... Yeah, that’s a list of horrible teams to land Bedard. Us, Columbus, Vancouver and Philly are the most deserving. All othes can go kick rocks! Edited January 3 by BombaysTripleDeke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 18 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Yeah, that’s a list of horrible teams to land Bedard. Us, Columbus, Vancouver and Philly are the most deserving. All othes can go kick rocks! I dunno, I think Vancouver and Columbus can kick rocks too haha Vancouver has so much talent on their team and they are just underperforming and Columbus has Laine and Johnny Hockey....oh and Philly just beat us...they're all fiiiiine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 My own opinion on who deserves it, based on who's eligible (starting from the bottom): 10. Chicago (25.5%), They're last for obvious reasons. The Kyle Beach situation is the more important, but even if you ignore that, they just came off a dynasty. Let them experience a few down years to pay for it. 9. St. Louis (3.5%) I don't have anything against St. Louis, but they just won a Cup and are merely having a down year. They don't need a franchise player to rescue them. 8. San Jose (9.5%) This is just personal. Screw the Sharks. Although if I were unbiased, they'd be a lot higher. They've never had the first pick. 7. Montreal (13.5%) They actually have two chances to win this because they have the Panthers' first round pick and the Panthers suck right now. But they just got the first pick and have all the resources in the world. 6. Arizona (8.5%) I don't really care for their ownership and the way they've handled some things recently. But mostly they've been on the tank train for a while. 5. Ottawa (3.0%) They're back on the way up, but I do feel for their fans. 4. Vancouver (5.0%) It's been some tough luck in Vancouver, and while their management has had some issues as well, I do feel for them. They have a rough history with the draft, getting screwed out of the #1 pick back in 1970 when they could have had Gilbert Perreault. 3. Philadelphia (6.5%) Like the Ducks, they've come about their crappiness honestly, having a GM with no clue mismanage the franchise. 2. Columbus (11.5%) They tried to improve the team by adding Gaudreau, but are still bad. That franchise could use some success. 1. Anaheim (13.5%) Of course I'm biased, but there are objective reasons for this. It's a franchise that's never had the number pick, despite have several occasions where they probably deserved it. There's been quite a while since their only Cup win, and they've attempted to remain competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Just FYI: Top 5 picks in the last 21 drafts (2002-2022) ANA - 2 ARZ - 5 CHI - 4 CLB - 6 FLA - 6 MON - 4 NSH - 1 OTT - 3 PHI - 4 SJS - 0 STL - 2 VAN - 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Gorbachav55 said: My own opinion on who deserves it, based on who's eligible (starting from the bottom): 10. Chicago (25.5%), They're last for obvious reasons. The Kyle Beach situation is the more important, but even if you ignore that, they just came off a dynasty. Let them experience a few down years to pay for it. 9. St. Louis (3.5%) I don't have anything against St. Louis, but they just won a Cup and are merely having a down year. They don't need a franchise player to rescue them. 8. San Jose (9.5%) This is just personal. Screw the Sharks. Although if I were unbiased, they'd be a lot higher. They've never had the first pick. 7. Montreal (13.5%) They actually have two chances to win this because they have the Panthers' first round pick and the Panthers suck right now. But they just got the first pick and have all the resources in the world. 6. Arizona (8.5%) I don't really care for their ownership and the way they've handled some things recently. But mostly they've been on the tank train for a while. 5. Ottawa (3.0%) They're back on the way up, but I do feel for their fans. 4. Vancouver (5.0%) It's been some tough luck in Vancouver, and while their management has had some issues as well, I do feel for them. They have a rough history with the draft, getting screwed out of the #1 pick back in 1970 when they could have had Gilbert Perreault. 3. Philadelphia (6.5%) Like the Ducks, they've come about their crappiness honestly, having a GM with no clue mismanage the franchise. 2. Columbus (11.5%) They tried to improve the team by adding Gaudreau, but are still bad. That franchise could use some success. 1. Anaheim (13.5%) Of course I'm biased, but there are objective reasons for this. It's a franchise that's never had the number pick, despite have several occasions where they probably deserved it. There's been quite a while since their only Cup win, and they've attempted to remain competitive. Ah you went with Pts%, that makes sense. Is the Cats pick NOT protected?! That's insane... If I look more objectively I think I go: Chicago St. Louis Montreal Ottawa Vancouver Anaheim San Jose Columbus Philadelphia Arizona Arizona NEEEDS something to keep that franchise alive and while i'd hate to see Bedard play in a college arena for 2 years, it could be really exciting and help really grow the fanbase and essentially save the Coyotes. They've turned the page on some terrible management and they haven't had a franchise altering player since Selanne basically. And honestly, Anaheim's future looks bright even without Bedard (including a likely top 4/5 pick in 2023 anyway). Of course I want Bedard but if I genuinely try to look at it objectively, we are still in a good spot. Philly doesn't look like they really have a bright future right now 😕 I put Columbus barely over SJ only 'cause Columbus has had NO success. But they at least right now have a couple stars. SJ's future isn't super bright right now though. Vancouver, Ottawa, StL they all have teams that shouldn't even be playing in the lottery right now. StL with the recent cup. Even Montreal to an extent and they just won it last year. And chicago for the obvious reasons you've already mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, tommer-1 said: Just FYI: Top 5 picks in the last 21 drafts (2002-2022) ANA - 2 ARZ - 5 CHI - 4 CLB - 6 FLA - 6 MON - 4 NSH - 1 OTT - 3 PHI - 4 SJS - 0 STL - 2 VAN - 2 woah! that's crazy...I didn't realize some of these teams had SO MANY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, Jasoaks said: woah! that's crazy...I didn't realize some of these teams had SO MANY. I'll do NJD, EDM, TB, LA, NYI, PIT, ATL/WPG, BUF, CAR in a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 ATL/WPG - 4 BOS -2 BUF - 4 CAR - 5 CGY - 1 COL - 5 DAL -1 EDM - 6 LAK - 5 NJD - 4 NYI - 5 NYR - 2 PIT - 5 TBL - 3 TOR - 4 WSH - 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry_mvp Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Yeah, that’s a list of horrible teams to land Bedard. Us, Columbus, Vancouver and Philly are the most deserving. All othes can go kick rocks! Why would you consider Columbus deserving? They already have Laine, Roslovic, Johnson and Sillinger. They went out and got Gaudreau. This last draft they got Jircek. They main reason they are bad now is having injuries early on. They certainly have the talent to be a playoff team. I have 0 sympathy for that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g20topdogg Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, tommer-1 said: Just FYI: Top 5 picks in the last 21 drafts (2002-2022) ANA - 2 ARZ - 5 CHI - 4 CLB - 6 FLA - 6 MON - 4 NSH - 1 OTT - 3 PHI - 4 SJS - 0 STL - 2 VAN - 2 That's crazy. Including the other list SJ is the only team to not pick in the top 5 for the last 21 years! That's kind of amazing actually considering they had a pretty good team and had some decent playoff success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 (edited) 58 minutes ago, perry_mvp said: Why would you consider Columbus deserving? They already have Laine, Roslovic, Johnson and Sillinger. They went out and got Gaudreau. This last draft they got Jircek. They main reason they are bad now is having injuries early on. They certainly have the talent to be a playoff team. I have 0 sympathy for that team. Columbus doesn't have a history of success, but they've never (to my knowledge) actively tried to tank. Heck, a few years ago when they were a bubble playoff team but not a Cup favorite, everyone knew they were going to lose Panarin and Bobrovsky. Instead of trading those guys, they went for it and added Duchene and Dzingel at the deadline. They were rewarded with a sweep of the Lightning and were competitive against the Bruins before bowing out. I love that they did that for their fans rather than throwing in the towel and starting a rebuild. They've had some top-5 picks, but they've gotten unlucky with a few (Dubois forced his way out and his replacement, Laine, has been disappointing; plus the 2012 draft was a tough one to get the #2 pick since there was a lot of weirdness at the top of that draft), and Rick Nash was a long, long time ago. It seems like a good market. Every team has made missteps, but I can't recall that they've been on the bad side of any damning controversies (please correct me if I'm wrong). That list of their players you made is not that impressive. Laine is incredibly inconsistent (when he's even on the ice), Roslovic is fine, Johnson is having a nice rookie season, Sillinger is having a horrendous sophomore season. Gaudreau is a nice piece, but they're going to need more than that. Jiricek has promise but is unknown. I actually have sympathy for them BECAUSE they seem to have built a good team but aren't winning due to bad luck. If being deserving means having zero good players, no team is deserving. Columbus is the only other team I'm actively rooting for to win the lottery. Everyone else I either don't care or I'm rooting against them. San Jose is really the only other team I could make a strong objective argument for aside from Anaheim and Columbus. But I won't because the Sharks suck. Edited January 3 by Gorbachav55 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry_mvp Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Gorbachav55 said: Columbus doesn't have a history of success, but they've never (to my knowledge) actively tried to tank. Heck, a few years ago when they were a bubble playoff team but not a Cup favorite, everyone knew they were going to lose Panarin and Bobrovsky. Instead of trading those guys, they went for it and added Duchene and Dzingel at the deadline. They were rewarded with a sweep of the Lightning and were competitive against the Bruins before bowing out. I love that they did that for their fans rather than throwing in the towel and starting a rebuild. They've had some top-5 picks, but they've gotten unlucky with a few (Dubois forced his way out and his replacement, Laine, has been disappointing; plus the 2012 draft was a tough one to get the #2 pick since there was a lot of weirdness at the top of that draft), and Rick Nash was a long, long time ago. It seems like a good market. Every team has made missteps, but I can't recall that they've been on the bad side of any damning controversies (please correct me if I'm wrong). That list of their players you made is not that impressive. Laine is incredibly inconsistent (when he's even on the ice), Roslovic is fine, Johnson is having a nice rookie season, Sillinger is having a horrendous sophomore season. Gaudreau is a nice piece, but they're going to need more than that. Jiricek has promise but is unknown. I actually have sympathy for them BECAUSE they seem to have built a good team but aren't winning due to bad luck. If being deserving means having zero good players, no team is deserving. Columbus is the only other team I'm actively rooting for to win the lottery. Everyone else I either don't care or I'm rooting against them. San Jose is really the only other team I could make a strong objective argument for aside from Anaheim and Columbus. But I won't because the Sharks suck. Nah, still don't have any sympathy for them. They've still had the honor of hosting a draft lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 We continue to get no tank luck from Columbus or Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 On 1/2/2023 at 5:28 PM, BombaysTripleDeke said: Terrible night for the tank. Pretty much every other bad team lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer_12 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Need to keep creating our own luck. Let’s keep this tank rolling after two good results. Stars hopefully will be focused after losing to LA, and we’ve got a big one against San Jose on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtsdlaw Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 13 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: We continue to get no tank luck from Columbus or Chicago. Give up on pacing Chicago. They're currently at a .270 points percentage and that's WITH all of their pending UFAs. They'll be trading their top 3 scorers (Kane, Domi, Toews) soon too, so unless Terry and Zegras both go down with long-term injuries, there's no way the Ducks will finish with the worst overall record this season. It's a race for second (worst) place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 It's still a dice roll, no matter where you finish. It's always gonna be the case if 11 teams have a shot - however slim - at getting that #1 overall pick. Finish last? Best odds are you pick 3rd (55.7%); Odds at picking 1OA? 25.5% 2nd? Pick 4th (40.2%); Odds at picking 1OA? 13.5% 3rd? Pick 4th (40.2%); Odds at picking 1OA? 11.5% 4th? Pick 5th (44.9%); Odds at picking 1OA? 9.5% 5th? Pick 6th (44.2%); Odds at picking 1OA? 8.5% 6th? Pick 7th (41.4%); Odds at picking 1OA? 7.5% 7th? You pick 7th (44.4%); Odds at picking 1OA? 6.5% 8th? You pick 8th (54.4%); Odds at picking 1OA? 6% 9th? You pick 9th (64.4%); Odds at picking 1OA? 5% I'll say it again. Even if they did find a way to finish last, the odds of them picking 1OA are not all that good. Worse, by double, than a coin flip. They should definitely be interested and excited to draft a good kid in the summer, hopefully in the Top 4. But their focus needs to be on the improvement of the team, with this summer's draft pick just one of many factors in that equation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 18 hours ago, g20topdogg said: That's crazy. Including the other list SJ is the only team to not pick in the top 5 for the last 21 years! That's kind of amazing actually considering they had a pretty good team and had some decent playoff success. In the last 21 years, the only teams to not have a Top 5 pick are SJS and VGK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 18 hours ago, g20topdogg said: That's crazy. Including the other list SJ is the only team to not pick in the top 5 for the last 21 years! That's kind of amazing actually considering they had a pretty good team and had some decent playoff success. And, obviously, ANA's Top 5 picks were 15 years apart. Ryan, 2005. McTavish, 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Hopefully the Ducks get another Top 5 (4? 2? first ever 1st OA?) pick this summer. But that should be it. They should be one of the 20 or better teams in the league starting next season. If not, the future looks rather bleak. 9th OA 6th OA 3rd OA 10th OA 1-5 OA That's enough highly-picked kids. Time to build, along with all your other players and assets, a contending team outta that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommer-1 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, tommer-1 said: In the last 21 years, the only teams to not have a Top 5 pick are SJS and VGK. SEA, meanwhile, has 2 in 2 years. Beniers and Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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