dtsdlaw Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 (edited) 20 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Travis Green didn't work out as coach, Conor Garland hasn't been what they were hoping for and OEL has been terrible. Sounds like there might be a Federov in the locker room as will in JT Miller and their captain is going to get traded. I agree. 2-3 years ago, there was a ton of optimism that Vancouver was on the rise towards being one of the top teams in the West. If the rumors are true, Rick Tocchet is going to replace Bruce as the coach. Just need them to not implode for the rest of the season. Their cap/personnel decisions have bitten them in the arse. During Rutherford's press conference he basically all but said out loud that (1) Horvat will be traded at the deadline, (2) OEL will be bought out this summer, (3) and Tyler Myers will be dumped somehow (either trade or buyout) to clear out a whole bunch of cap space. I also think Boeser might get traded this summer for some younger pieces, and that they'll re-tool around Hughes, Pettersson, Demko, and JT MIller. They still have a decent young-ish core in place, but their cap structure is just a mess at the moment. $13.2M tied up in OEL and Tyler Myers + $2.4M in dead cap (Holtby + Virtanen) this season. Of those potential moves, Boeser and Myers are mildly interesting to me as summer additions. Boeser is a decent sized (6'1", 205lbs), 25-year-old right-shooting RW who is good for 20+ goals, and he's locked in for two more seasons after this one at $6.65M. Assuming the Ducks don't get Bedard, I think Boeser could fill an immediate need as a scoring RW (#2 RW on the depth chart behind Terry). With Myers, his cap hit is $6M for one more season, but he gets $5M of that as a signing bonus on July 1st, so an acquiring team would be on the hook for only $1M next season if they got Myers after free agency started. Myers is also a 6'8", 225lb right-shot SAH D-man with both decent puck-moving skills and a nasty streak, who can also PK. I'm not a huge Myers fan, but for just one season he could be a pretty interesting complement to Zellweger on a 3rd pair. Especially if we're only paying him $1M in actual salary. We're also looking at the Ducks having a boatload of draft picks in this next draft to play with in trades. If all goes according to expectations at the TDL, we're probably looking at four 2nd rounders, three 3rds, and multiple 4ths and 5ths for this upcoming draft. And depending on where we end up picking in the first round, we might have some prospects or young players becoming expendable too (for example, if we get Carlsson or Fantilli, do Lundestrom and Gaucher become trade bait?). So even though we're division rivals, I think the Canucks and Ducks would seem to fit as natural trade partners this summer. Rutherford also has a solid history of making trades with the Ducks. Edited January 17 by dtsdlaw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 17 Author Report Share Posted January 17 57 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said: Their cap/personnel decisions have bitten them in the arse. During Rutherford's press conference he basically all but said out loud that (1) Horvat will be traded at the deadline, (2) OEL will be bought out this summer, (3) and Tyler Myers will be dumped somehow (either trade or buyout) to clear out a whole bunch of cap space. I also think Boeser might get traded this summer for some younger pieces, and that they'll re-tool around Hughes, Pettersson, Demko, and JT MIller. They still have a decent young-ish core in place, but their cap structure is just a mess at the moment. $13.2M tied up in OEL and Tyler Myers + $2.4M in dead cap (Holtby + Virtanen) this season. Of those potential moves, Boeser and Myers are mildly interesting to me as summer additions. Boeser is a decent sized (6'1", 205lbs), 25-year-old right-shooting RW who is good for 20+ goals, and he's locked in for two more seasons after this one at $6.65M. Assuming the Ducks don't get Bedard, I think Boeser could fill an immediate need as a scoring RW (#2 RW on the depth chart behind Terry). With Myers, his cap hit is $6M for one more season, but he gets $5M of that as a signing bonus on July 1st, so an acquiring team would be on the hook for only $1M next season if they got Myers after free agency started. Myers is also a 6'8", 225lb right-shot SAH D-man with both decent puck-moving skills and a nasty streak, who can also PK. I'm not a huge Myers fan, but for just one season he could be a pretty interesting complement to Zellweger on a 3rd pair. Especially if we're only paying him $1M in actual salary. We're also looking at the Ducks having a boatload of draft picks in this next draft to play with in trades. If all goes according to expectations at the TDL, we're probably looking at four 2nd rounders, three 3rds, and multiple 4ths and 5ths for this upcoming draft. And depending on where we end up picking in the first round, we might have some prospects or young players becoming expendable too (for example, if we get Carlsson or Fantilli, do Lundestrom and Gaucher become trade bait?). So even though we're division rivals, I think the Canucks and Ducks would seem to fit as natural trade partners this summer. Rutherford also has a solid history of making trades with the Ducks. I think Boeser is a tad overpaid for what he brings, but I think he'd be solid addition on Zegras' wing. Of course, he's one more guy who, while he drives play, isn't a defensive forward. At some point, the Ducks are going to need to pick up some players who can play in the defensive zone. As a side note, perhaps another scoring winger or two frees up Terry to play on the PK, where I think he'd be really, really good. But in short, I'm good with a Boeser pick up. I'm curious who Vancouver is going to ask for in return. I'm not nearly as big a fan of Myers, but if he's picked up cheaply for a season after being bought out, as you suggest, that's probably ok if the Ducks strike out on acquiring a long-term RHD. He is definitely a guy who will play on the PK, but given the success (or lack thereof) of Vancouver's PK, maybe that's not a good thing. I don't think he should be in the top 10 options, though. Rutherford has a history of trading with Bob Murray, but I wonder if that will carry over to Verbeek's tenure. I get the sense that Rutherford and Murray were very much cut from the same cloth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 56 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said: Their cap/personnel decisions have bitten them in the arse. During Rutherford's press conference he basically all but said out loud that (1) Horvat will be traded at the deadline, (2) OEL will be bought out this summer, (3) and Tyler Myers will be dumped somehow (either trade or buyout) to clear out a whole bunch of cap space. I also think Boeser might get traded this summer for some younger pieces, and that they'll re-tool around Hughes, Pettersson, Demko, and JT MIller. They still have a decent young-ish core in place, but their cap structure is just a mess at the moment. $13.2M tied up in OEL and Tyler Myers + $2.4M in dead cap (Holtby + Virtanen) this season. Of those potential moves, Boeser and Myers are mildly interesting to me as summer additions. Boeser is a decent sized (6'1", 205lbs), 25-year-old right-shooting RW who is good for 20+ goals, and he's locked in for two more seasons after this one at $6.65M. Assuming the Ducks don't get Bedard, I think Boeser could fill an immediate need as a scoring RW (#2 RW on the depth chart behind Terry). With Myers, his cap hit is $6M for one more season, but he gets $5M of that as a signing bonus on July 1st, so an acquiring team would be on the hook for only $1M next season if they got Myers after free agency started. Myers is also a 6'8", 225lb right-shot SAH D-man with both decent puck-moving skills and a nasty streak, who can also PK. I'm not a huge Myers fan, but for just one season he could be a pretty interesting complement to Zellweger on a 3rd pair. Especially if we're only paying him $1M in actual salary. We're also looking at the Ducks having a boatload of draft picks in this next draft to play with in trades. If all goes according to expectations at the TDL, we're probably looking at four 2nd rounders, three 3rds, and multiple 4ths and 5ths for this upcoming draft. And depending on where we end up picking in the first round, we might have some prospects or young players becoming expendable too (for example, if we get Carlsson or Fantilli, do Lundestrom and Gaucher become trade bait?). So even though we're division rivals, I think the Canucks and Ducks would seem to fit as natural trade partners this summer. Rutherford also has a solid history of making trades with the Ducks. I think Lundestrom is the most likely forward to get traded by next season followed by Comtois, Jones no matter who we draft. Gaucher is a Verbeek pick who is directly going to compete for Lundestrom’s spot. Since we can’t rely on the Ducks to have nice things anymore and the vote on the new coyotes arena will happen after the draft lottery, I’m going conspiracy theorist of Arizona winning the draft lottery to help the case for the new arena. So, my hope lies in us getting a premier winger in Michkov or Carlsson that will give us two future lethal 1,2 punches at center and forward. I forgot about Tyler Myers also lol. Getting him for a year to complement Zellweger or a young defenseman is a good idea. Boeser coming to the Ducks is dicier since he can stick it to Vancouver by being in the division but we can have a real nice looking top-6 by adding him. Don’t know what it would take to get him, probably a mid to late first and a decent prospect. The former of which we don’t have. I think adding a key d-man is going to be the target but the Ducks have enough in assets and cap to get both of the opportunities are there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 18 Author Report Share Posted January 18 Well, this game is going well for the Ducks (tank-wise). Montreal is up three in the third period. Chicago and Columbus are both currently tied. It could be a great night for the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 18 Author Report Share Posted January 18 Lol, and as I say that both Chicago and Columbus surrender goals. I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Gorbachav55 said: Lol, and as I say that both Chicago and Columbus surrender goals. I give up. Ducks vs Blue Jackets on Thursday. Who doesn’t want to win it more? Bedard might be watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Chicago and Arizona won. Pretty good night for the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 18 Author Report Share Posted January 18 47 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Chicago and Arizona won. Pretty good night for the tank. Yeah, pretty good indeed. Columbus was the only turd in the punchbowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlibberBluff Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 20 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said: Yeah, pretty good indeed. Columbus was the only turd in the punchbowl. And to add, Florida got a point, Montreal won, and Buffalo and Detroit got a point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Sharks score 5 unanswered goals to beat Dallas. If Karlsson drags the Sharks out of a top-5 pick, then I think we should send him a nice Swedish gift basket. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasoaks Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Sharks score 5 unanswered goals to beat Dallas. If Karlsson drags the Sharks out of a top-5 pick, then I think we should send him a nice Swedish gift basket. with swedish fish!! yeah that's crazy....and ottawa won, colorado too! I know it's weird to mention colorado, but before this win they were 20th place and in a spot where they could in theory win the 3rd OA pick....and we can't have any of that! Edited January 19 by Jasoaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 19 Author Report Share Posted January 19 10 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Sharks score 5 unanswered goals to beat Dallas. If Karlsson drags the Sharks out of a top-5 pick, then I think we should send him a nice Swedish gift basket. If Ikea has taught me anything, that means meatballs, lingonberries, and build-it-yourself furniture. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry_mvp Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 34 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said: If Ikea has taught me anything, that means meatballs, lingonberries, and build-it-yourself furniture. If Ikea has taught me anything it's that I never want to step foot in an Ikea again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 19 Author Report Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, perry_mvp said: If Ikea has taught me anything it's that I never want to step foot in an Ikea again. I haven't been in years and I don't miss it. I do actually like some of their furniture, though. It's like adult Legos. We have a bookshelf and a bar cabinet from them that are still in good shape after 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtsdlaw Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 44 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said: I haven't been in years and I don't miss it. I do actually like some of their furniture, though. It's like adult Legos. We have a bookshelf and a bar cabinet from them that are still in good shape after 15 years. How is this even possible after the last four seasons of Eakins? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 19 Author Report Share Posted January 19 12 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said: How is this even possible after the last four seasons of Eakins? Well, the book shelf is in the kids' room, so it's out of line of sight for projectiles. As for the bar cabinet, that's where I keep the booze. With Eakins at the helm, that's the most important piece of furniture I own. I wouldn't dare destroy something that crucial to my sanity. In fact, I've considered getting another one. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry_mvp Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Disastrous night for the tank. Beating the BJ's. Only good news is that Chicago won. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, perry_mvp said: Disastrous night for the tank. Beating the BJ's. Only good news is that Chicago won. Yeah. Brutal that we’ll only be two points back of Arizona after tonight also. We’ll never be lucky and/or bad enough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer_12 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 (edited) Absolute disgusting choke job against Columbus. I was wondering what the hell Eakins was thinking putting Gibson in at the start of the 2nd. At least let it get to 4-0 before doing that. I purposely didn’t make fun of the Sharks for their choke job the night before against Dallas thinking, “it could happen to us” and then we pull the same thing the exact same way, score line and all. Edited January 20 by Spencer_12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 20 Author Report Share Posted January 20 I'm reposting this here from the game thread since I think it belongs here as much as there. I'm waxing philosophical this morning. Personally, I'm not really enjoying this season because losing sucks. Rooting for a bad team is not all that much fun. But I will say that the results of games, other than a few select ones that it would be nice to win (Kings, Sharks Predators), are pretty much irrelevant to me. If we lose, great, better chance at Bedard. If we win, great, that's the point of sports. Note that I use the word "great" pretty loosely there. Mostly it's if we lose, meh, and if we win, meh. Going deeper, if you're rooting for the tank (and I'm not saying it's wrong - it makes a ton of sense this year), it's really anathema to what it means to be a fan, which is why the whole concept of tanking is so weird. Some people have embraced the cold, rational logic behind it and can divorce that logic from the normal emotion of being a fan. I'm honestly jealous of those who can do that; try as I might, I can't quite get there. Because that position essentially entails rooting for players to fail. While we don't care about the long-term future of many of these guys since they'll be gone soon, rooting for Zegras and Strome and those guys NOT to score is tough because clearly they're frustrated. And we want them to get better. And when you strip it down, rooting for the tank is rooting for a slightly more weighted roll of the dice. On the other hand, rooting for this team to win is painful because they just can't do it. They're terrible, partially by design, partially by accident, and plenty of fans, again quite reasonably, want changes to be made so that they're better. They're tired of wandering the playoff desert for the last five years, and are worried that another losing season is just going to prolong the trip back to the promised land. But the team's management is clearly not interested in making any improvements because that dice roll is incredibly important, and when your options are "better dice roll" vs. "finishing 25 points out of a playoff spot instead of 35," you'll take the better dice roll just about every time. The benefit is theoretical but at least it's a benefit. And so here we sit, unable to enjoy a victory because for some it's a step in the wrong direction and for others it's a tiny step down a long trail we have no hope of completing. Rooting for a bad team sucks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Caufield done for the season. Montreal tank about to go full throttle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksun Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 On 1/20/2023 at 7:14 PM, Gorbachav55 said: I'm reposting this here from the game thread since I think it belongs here as much as there. I'm waxing philosophical this morning. Personally, I'm not really enjoying this season because losing sucks. Rooting for a bad team is not all that much fun. But I will say that the results of games, other than a few select ones that it would be nice to win (Kings, Sharks Predators), are pretty much irrelevant to me. If we lose, great, better chance at Bedard. If we win, great, that's the point of sports. Note that I use the word "great" pretty loosely there. Mostly it's if we lose, meh, and if we win, meh. Going deeper, if you're rooting for the tank (and I'm not saying it's wrong - it makes a ton of sense this year), it's really anathema to what it means to be a fan, which is why the whole concept of tanking is so weird. Some people have embraced the cold, rational logic behind it and can divorce that logic from the normal emotion of being a fan. I'm honestly jealous of those who can do that; try as I might, I can't quite get there. Because that position essentially entails rooting for players to fail. While we don't care about the long-term future of many of these guys since they'll be gone soon, rooting for Zegras and Strome and those guys NOT to score is tough because clearly they're frustrated. And we want them to get better. And when you strip it down, rooting for the tank is rooting for a slightly more weighted roll of the dice. On the other hand, rooting for this team to win is painful because they just can't do it. They're terrible, partially by design, partially by accident, and plenty of fans, again quite reasonably, want changes to be made so that they're better. They're tired of wandering the playoff desert for the last five years, and are worried that another losing season is just going to prolong the trip back to the promised land. But the team's management is clearly not interested in making any improvements because that dice roll is incredibly important, and when your options are "better dice roll" vs. "finishing 25 points out of a playoff spot instead of 35," you'll take the better dice roll just about every time. The benefit is theoretical but at least it's a benefit. And so here we sit, unable to enjoy a victory because for some it's a step in the wrong direction and for others it's a tiny step down a long trail we have no hope of completing. Rooting for a bad team sucks. Tanking is bad plain and simple and accomplishes nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 22 Author Report Share Posted January 22 Things looking good for the tank right now. Ducks lost, Florida won, Columbus and San Jose are tied in the third, Montreal came back to tie it up, and Chicago is up by 3. Let's go bad teams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 22 Author Report Share Posted January 22 Columbus won! Chicago needs to hold on. Montreal won. Arizona is getting crushed right now, but otherwise, a pretty good tank day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 18 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said: Columbus won! Chicago needs to hold on. Montreal won. Arizona is getting crushed right now, but otherwise, a pretty good tank day. Chicago held on against the Blues and has won 6 of their last 7 games lol. I fell over when I found that out. Two more Bedard Bowls against Arizona within the next week which will be huge. They are playing worse than Columbus and have one win in their last 10 games. Vancouver is also a disaster and has entered the chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 23 Author Report Share Posted January 23 It would have been nice had Chicago won, or at least gotten a point (particularly against the Kings), but Arizona winning against Vegas is welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 With Columbus getting a loser point tonight, the Ducks are officially back in last place in the NHL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 San Jose got a point against Detroit and Montreal blew a chance to force overtime against Boston. At least Chicago and Vancouver play against each other tonight to kind of help balance out us likely beating this trash coyotes team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombaysTripleDeke Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) Columbus beat Edmonton in OT! Marchenko on Columbus has 11 goals and 0 assists on the year. That’s just rad. Edited January 26 by BombaysTripleDeke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbachav55 Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, BombaysTripleDeke said: Columbus beat Edmonton in OT. Marchenko on Columbus has 11 goals and 0 assists on the year. That’s just rad. Lol, he's the antithesis of my kind of player. I loved the Getzlaf/Oates stat lines. Give me Adam Oates in 90-91 when he was feeding Brett Hull all night long: 25-90-115. That was the year Hull scored 84 goals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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