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2 minutes ago, Fowl said:
The buyout works in Perry’s favor. If I were him, I would have outright refused a trade, and pushed them to either keeping me no or forcing the buyout option. It’s a business on the player side too. I think he makes more salary this way and controls where he wants to sign. I wish Perry nothing but the best.
Nailed it. Sad to see a franchise icon move on, but I don't think watching Perry get 4th line minutes for the next two seasons would have been much fun for the fans or for Perry either. Hopefully he finds a good situation with a team who needs his skill set in a top-6 role. Buffalo still makes the most sense to me. It would be cool to see him get a shot on a Skinner-Eichel-Perry line. Regardless, this move is the best for Pears. We'll see him again for the jersey retirement ceremony.
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1 hour ago, g20topdogg said:
As far as I could tell based on the article he's the only hockey player and the first of the major sports leagues to do so. So it's a pretty recent procedure for athletes.
Jovanovski said he got the idea to make a comeback from Mike Sillinger, who had a similar procedure done in 2009 at age 37, and was apparently playing beer-league hockey completely pain-free after he retired from the NHL.
There have been elite athletes in other sports who have made a comeback too, just not in any of the four traditional major US sports.
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5 minutes ago, FanSince1993 said:
what is he wants to come back before the training camp of 2020? Then the full amount have to be cleared up before the beginning of the season, right? That's probably the reason GMBM can't spend more money on free agents because he has to keep a significant amount under the cap if Kesler suddenly decides to return. It will handcuff this team for 3 more years.
The cap will be at $86M by 2020-21, they'll be one season away from shedding Perry's $8.65M cap hit, and the Ducks will have no major contracts to give out between now and then to current players. This team will not be handcuffed in any way shape or form... IF GMBM wants to wade into the UFA market for a big fish.
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1 hour ago, Fisix said:
A - no duh.
B - I wasn’t treating the authors speculation as testimony. The exposition assumes facts that can’t reasonably be assumed, based on what we know about the history of K’s hip.
You mean based on what YOU know about Kesler's hip. Jovanovski had the same injury/condition, had the same surgery performed by the same doctor, and has had extensive personal discussions with Kesler about his hip. I honestly don't know what more you would need to lay a foundation for the credibility of Jovanovski's statement
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42 minutes ago, FanSince1993 said:
The problem with LTR is one day it will be over; let's say by the end of February, if the Ducks are in the playoffs hunt, Kesler will announce that he feels healthy and ready to come back. By NHL rules, team ca not force player to stay on LTR if he feels ready to return, and player have to be evaluated by independent physician. Lets say, Kesler will pass his physical, then what? The team will have to clear $6.75 mil before trade deadline, it means one or two valuable players will be traded for draft picks or demoted to AHL.
(1) That’s not how the cap calculation works. They won’t need to clear a whole $6.75M. (2) Remind me who GMBM traded when Pears came off LTIR this past February. And don’t say Montour because he was traded 3 weeks after Pears was activated, so the team was already cap compliant when Monty was moved. (3) GMBM’s recent comments about LTIR give the impression that we probably won’t be near the upper cap limit anyway, so the team will likely be accruing enough season cap space to allow Kes to return after the deadline, if he’s ready and still wants to give it a go, without doing anything significant to the rest of the roster.
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3 hours ago, Fisix said:
"Once he gets this done and the mobility he’s going to have again,..."
Facts not in evidence.
I wish him well.
(a) This isn’t a trial.
(b) If it was a trial, that’s not even a valid objection to the substance of testimony.
lol.
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^^ Also, in the comments section for this article, Eric Stephens says that Kesler's contract is insured. So factor that into whatever whining some people here want to do about Kesler's contract eating up the team's internal budget.
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Another great article in the Athletic by Eric Stephens regarding Kesler today (I highly recommend a subscription). Lots of great quotes from Jovanovski, Bob Murray, and Kesler's agent in this one, but the money quote IMO is from Jovanovski:
Quote“I don’t bet against Kes,” Jovanovski said. “Once he gets this done and the mobility he’s going to have again, there’s no reason why he can’t give it a go. Obviously, there’s risks that comes with it. But I think if you’re well aware of all that’s surrounding it, you prepare the right way and you put yourself in the best position to succeed – he’s going to feel great.
Jovanovski said the center’s passion “is still at an all-time high” when the two had their conversation. “Can he do it?” Jovanovski said. “Yeah. Mine held up great. Obviously, you got a metal hip joint now. So you have that concern. You knew the concerns going in. But when you talk to Dr. Su and with being bigger guys, which Kes is in that category, the joint itself is a bigger joint and the stability and the strength of it is probably stronger than the other side.”
See you next Spring, Kes!
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29 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Not surprised. Looks like the end of Kesler.
Hip replacement would have been the end of Kesler. He elected to go with hip resurfacing so he can try to play again.
Same doctor who did Ed Jovanovski's hip resurfacing procedure did Kesler's too. Jovanovski has his procedure done in April 2013 and his first game back after the surgery and recovery was nine months later in January 2014. Chances are the surgery and recovery plan have advanced by leaps and bounds since then too. I don't think Kes is going to try to beat the timeline, but he certainly knows what the expectations are since others have gone through it.
You're welcome to bet against Kesler in this. I'm not. He's Ryan Friggen Kesler. He'll be back. And he'll win the Masterton in 2021. Count on it.
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^^ Great post. Couldn’t agree more.
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2 hours ago, dukitup said:
I may be wrong, but if he retires, doesn't he forfeit his remaining salary? Go on LTIR until his contract runs out. He still gets paid and while on LTIR the team gets cap relief. No?
No chance he retires and forfeits the money.
More likely he’ll tape all of these messages to the walls of his home gym and use them as motivation to prove everyone wrong next season. That’s just who Kes is.
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19 minutes ago, RobD360 said:
And there it is. The first piece to fall to pave the way to retirement or long term injury. My theory might not be too far fetched.
Nah, just starting physical therapy a few months early to be ready to start 2019-2020.
Or, if you like conspiracy theories, its a ploy to make sure he doesn't get bought out in June. If he's determined by team doctors to be unfit to play now, how do they change that diagnosis in June when the buy-out window rolls around? It'd be darn near impossible. Whereas if he finished the rest of the season, they could say that he was still healthy enough to play at the end of the season so he'd be healthy enough to be bought out.
Knowing what a warrior Kesler is, I think it's the first sentence I typed, but this conspiracy theory is not that far-fetched either.
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2 hours ago, Aksun said:
The onus is on the NHLPA to accept flexible pay based on factual games played and performance delivered. This season for the Anaheim Ducks might have been easier to stomach if we knew that key players that we lost did not derail our season because they each cost us an unmovable amount of money, but rather their money were carried over to other players but they just didn't jell because the coach is a dinosaur and wants to have a mandatory morning skate 7 days of the week. It's indeed the same for each team, McDavid and Ovechkin can always go down, and Crosby certainly did go down, so no one is safe, but this just makes the luck factor be the deciding factor, which it shouldn't be. When players are out, and one can argue that Kesler is an exciting player, too, the NHL product suffers.
I would stop watching the NHL if this happened. I don't want players making a business decision as to whether they will step in front of a shot to block it or chase a puck into a corner because it might cost them money if they get injured. If you're going to financially penalize players for trying hard, you might as well go back to the flat-bladed stick and make them play by collegiate rules to keep them all safer on the ice. That would result in a much worse on-ice product. IMO, players should be able to play their games to the best of their ability without worrying that their income will be affected by an on-ice injury.
And speaking of on-ice injuries, your bus driver's "sick day" analogy doesn't work here. Hockey injuries are typically work-related injuries (unless you're Patrick Eaves or Dustin Penner) and would be eligible for worker's compensation claims in the real world (if sports were actually the same as the real world, which they're not). In most US states I think worker's comp pays something like 2/3 of the salary for workers injured on the job who are unable to keep working. And you know how injured workers get the rest of their lost salary? They sue. Do we really want players suing the NHL, teams, coaches, and each other every time they miss games due to injury? That would also be terrible for the game (and also for us fans, because litigation ultimately just makes everything more expensive for the end-users/consumers).
Finally, there's also that specter of concussions. What you're suggesting here will cause players with significant head injuries to return to the ice before they are ready due to fear of losing thousands or even millions of dollars in lost wages because of missed games. These players are human beings, not gladiators, and we should be thankful the NHLPA exists to make sure they are treated as human beings and allowed to heal their significant injuries according to their own body's timeline.
So IMO, guaranteed contracts exist for both the good of the game AND the good of the player. The onus should instead be on the GMs to make sure that a team is built properly within the salary cap rules. That is their job. And if they can't do their job well, ownership should find some else to do their job.
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1 hour ago, FanSince1993 said:
This is an interesting observation. I didn't know about it. Is LTIR has time limitation? Is money on LTIR the same as on contract? How do the teams protect themselves from some dishonest players taking advantage of LTIR? Anybody knows something about it?
First, the team is who puts a player on LTIR. The player doesn’t make that choice. LTIR is a way for a severely injured player’s salary to not cripple the team’s salary cap by allowing a team to exceed the cap up to the amount of that player’s cap figure. The league also does require medical documentation to accept the LTIR designation and has the right to challenge a diagnosis if they think there’s monkey business going on with a team’s salary cap. Contracts are also guaranteed in the NHL, and you can’t buy out an injured player without his consent. So a player who is medically unfit to play anymore can just sit back and collect game checks for the duration of his contract.
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1 hour ago, FanSince1993 said:
Per article, his injury was much worse than I thought. Kudos to Ryan for fighting back and playing thru pain. The common sense, however, should tell him to retire after the end of this season, if he doesn't want to risk his health in the future. But it won't happen. The "$$$" sign will prevail: milk it till the end, for 3 more years.
Hey, can't blame him. If I was in his position, I would do the same. You can't walk away from guaranteed money.
I don’t think it’s all about the money. He could go on LTIR tomorrow and collect every penny owed to him for the next three years. And yet he plays on.
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4 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/nhl/2019/03/05/ryan-kesler-journey-1000-games
This article about Kesler’s injury, recovery process etc is absolutely insane. How is still playing is a testament to modern medicine and his sheer will. How long can he continue given all of this? We all knew his hip was really bad but my worst case scenario didn’t go this far.
Kesler is a stud and an indispensable mentor and locker room presence for the young guys. To think that he was runner-up for the Selke (and should have won) the same season (2016-17) he couldn't even walk up stairs and was wearing a brace that limited his ability to turn is INSANE. This is why I will never count out Kesler until the day he hangs up his skates. Nobody brings it harder than Kesler.
The article makes me think that he will probably won't see the end of his contract, but I also think he's got at least one more season in him after this one, and that he'll be better next season than he has been this season after another summer of conditioning/strengthening that hip AND now that he doesn't have RC grinding him so hard. Seriously, what was RC thinking with his TOI and assignments if Kesler was in that bad of shape during the 2017-18 season?? Makes zero sense after reading this article.
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1 hour ago, Spike1981 said:
Montour and Gibbons are gone, who is the next?
Del Zotto
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6 hours ago, Jiggy2win said:
Hip surgery is the kiss of death for a hockey player. Like rotator cuff surgery for a baseball player.
Unless your name is Ryan Kesler. He had hip surgeries in 2007 and 2011 too.
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1 hour ago, nieder said:
I actually think Kesler has been somewhat unlucky with his scoring because it's not as though he's generating absolutely nothing....he's obviously less effective than before the injury but I feel like he should have more than 6 points. But I could say the same about half of the team. The Henrique/Kase/Ritchie line seems to generate 3-4 grade A chances every game but barely converts any of them.
Rakell has only 5 goals. Henrique has only 8. Ritchie has only 5. And none of those guys have even close to the defensive responsibilities that Kesler does. IMO there's too much attention being paid to Kesler's scoring totals right now when almost all of the forwards, especially the guys who are supposed to score, have been unable to find the back of the net.
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I think it's definitely possible. Gretzky had 894G. As of today (February 19, 2016) Ovechkin is at 512G. Ovi needs 382G to match Gretzky. Seems like an awful lot, but then I look at Teemu Selanne's numbers and I think Ovi's got a legit shot at it.
Ovi is currently 30 years old. If he makes it to 50 goals this season (13 more), he'll be at 525G and he'll need 369 more goals to catch #99. Between ages 31 and 43, Teemu scored 305G, but that included an entire season canceled (04-05) when Teemu was only 34 y/o and Teemu's pseudo-retirement in 07-08 when he played only 26 games. Could Teemu have scored 369G (i.e. an additional 65G) between ages 31 and 43 if the 04-05 lockout and his pseudo-retirement hadn't happened? Maybe. But Ovi is also scoring at a much higher rate than Teemu was at this stage of his career. Teemu also missed 74 games over his final six seasons so there's some margin built into the comparison for Ovechkin's potential health issues as he gets older.
Barring serious injury or early retirement, I think Ovi has a chance.
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If not for the 2004-05 lockout, I think Ovi might have gotten there, or at least a lot closer. As it was, he didn't start his NHL career until age 20, whereas Gretzky started at 18. If he'd come over for a 2004-05 season he's probably sitting just north of 500 goals right now, and probably more than 510 at season's end. That would have shaved a year off your "40 until 40" calculation, duck123, which would have made it really interesting. The way Ovi plays the game, with so much passion and joy, I also can't see him walking away from the NHL until he literally can't skate anymore. I don't know what his workout ethic is like, but if it's even half of what Selanne's or Jagr's is then I could see the second greatest 8 playing until age 40+. Nevertheless, he's probably going to fall short of Gretzky's goal record.
Barring major injury, I do think he'll catch Gordie Howe (801g) though.
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It's not about whether he CAN play 4th line minutes, its about whether he wants to play 4th line minutes and whether that's how the fans want to see him go out. Fisix nails it here:
Perry still thinks he's the second best player on this team. He's not, and it never goes well when a player who thinks he's better than he is does not get to play as much as he thinks he deserves. Remember Selanne's very public tongue-lashing of Boudreau for taking him off the #1 PP unit during his final season? Everyone but Teemu knew he didn't belong there any more, and it was a rough exclamation point on an otherwise incredible career. As a fan, I don't want to see Perry go down that same path of resentment due to a diminished role.