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2 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:
He's actually a LW. I think the Oilers experimented with him at center back in the day, but he's now even less of a center than Rakell is.
Oh that's right. I keep thinking he's a center. Never mind then lol
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Getzlaf is on the downside of his career and we really need a real top line center. At this point, I'm not sure we really have that guy in our system. Hall seems to be available. Perhaps we can trade for him? I'd think a first, kase, and Richie (perhaps more, I'm not sure) could potentially land us Hall. Aside from Terry, Grant and Guhle getting raises all the other guys aren't going to command much/ will leave for free agency. Even with Perry's cap hit going up significantly, we should have enough space to do this. After next season the hit from Perry will go down and Getz contract is also up. In the meantime, it would give us crazy center depth and perhaps a run at the cup.
Or we do nothing and try to get that top center with another high pick at the end of the year! It's far cheaper this way. 😂
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5 hours ago, Fisix said:
Good for Perry! I smiled through the whole video. Getzlaf's words hurt a little though, wish they could have both hit 1k together.
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With that kind of production, I think this might be Perry's last year.
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5 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:
This is what I originally thought too, but apparently teams can use LTIR during the summer after all. Capfriendly discusses it in their LTIR FAQs. You need a doctor to sign off on it and the player going on LTIR must not be able to play the first 10 games and not be active for the first 24 days of the season.
Interesting. I seem to remember BM managing LTIR kind of like the cap. Was it last year or the year before that he had the opportunity to put Eaves (?) on LTIR for cap relief but opted not to so it wouldn't handcuff the team later in the year. I remember reading an article about why it was done that way but can't seem to remember how it worked.
34 minutes ago, Spike1981 said:What for a penalty they would take? Some money? Maybe they are so desperately that they take the penalty...
So I did a quick search and there seems to be a couple of things. The contract won't be approved by the nhl because it would put the team over the cap. But as the quote above also shows, I guess it factors in LTIR. But in the event that a team does go over there is apparently up to a 5 million fine and possible draft picks. There is also the possibility the team forfeits games until they become compliant.
So all this brings us to the teams that are currently over. They must be cap compliant, otherwise the league wouldn't approve Marners signing for example. I remember Bob also having to wait to announce/ sign a player until we became cap compliant to do so.
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3 hours ago, Jasoaks said:
I believe this is the point of the cap, to help spread the wealth. Maybe we pick up a solid player to help relive cap space for some team somewhere. Or Ottawa does...or...Columbus...I also believe Toronto has some relief with LTIR?? As do we with Kesler/Eaves, too?? Not sure how that exactly works though.
Yes they have LTIR but they can only be 10% over the cap by the start of the season. If they're not then there's a cap penalty I believe. And you can't put guys on LTIR during the summer either.
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2 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:
A bit the opposite of Laine though because Bobby actually wanted to move away from the Twins. He was a RW forced into playing LW (which he didn't seem to like) and he got tired of being the 4th passing option on a 3-man line since Getzlaf and Pears would spend a whole shift just playing catch with each other. So Bobby had a few too many pops at a charity golf event and shot his mouth off to a reporter, and everything deteriorated from there.
But I agree that Laine is probably looking at a shortened career in Winnipeg. Those are tough comments to come back from. And they should definitely trade him for D now that their blue line has deteriorated this summer.
I thought it was the opposite. Hmm must not remember any more. Either way, they don't want to worsen the situation by saying Laine is a jerk. So downplaying and saying everything is good will keep the Jets with the upper hand in case a trade happens. If other teams know that the situation is bad, they will play to that and try to lower the value. Who knows? Sakic had a pretty big issue with Dushesne (sp?) and still got a very good trade that they won hands down (lol Ottawa).
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20 hours ago, nieder said:
If he actually said that, he should pack his sh*t. He won't be playing another game in Winnipeg.
If a Duck said something like that Murray would jettison him to Siberia.
This whole situation reminds me of Bobby Ryan (who? Lol). Yeah that B Ry. I remember him not being happy about the split from the twins. They had him be the star on his own line and if I remember correctly, we didn't have that real second line center yet. Anyway, I'm not sure how long Laine lasts in the Peg. I guess these kinds of things can be resolved and he continues his career there but potentially with the idea that he will be traded.
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I did some calculations and here are the minutes played for every point scored.
Perry- 23.07
Playoffs- 24.18
Pavelski- 23.89
Playoffs- 27.47
Though both players took a hit in the playoffs Pavelski was worse. But if you compare them before Perry started dropping off you will probably notice a bigger difference. Though Pavelski is a steal in that draft.
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I was looking at and comparing Perry and Pavelski. They have a pretty similar career. Goals, assists and points wise they are really close. Perry has way more penalty minutes though. But as I looked a little closer Perry had a higher ceiling. He cracked 50 goals and had more points in his prime. But the drop off in his play the last few years was much more noticeable. Pavelski has been far more consistent even though his ceiling wasn't as high as perry's. But I think Perry played a far more physical game and paid the price through nagging injuries and such. Overall, I think Pavelski had a good career so far. Perry also had a good career, but I think the big drop in points and production as well as having that contract has hurt his image a bit. Even though I would say he was the better player of the two over the course of his career. Perry would still be a duck if it wasn't for that contract. I think BM weighed the contract to his production and looked at the kids and saw better value and more potential at this point.
I just wanted to point out the comparison because I came across it and thought how similar their overall production was for their career. Oh and Perry's place on the all time ducks lists and Pavelski's on the sharks is almost the same! It's quite an interesting comparison.
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1 minute ago, hoxxey said:
He just is incompetent
Yes, this is my biggest complaint against BM. I'm not asking him to go all out and land big time FA. What I don't like is trading picks to pick up players who for the most part are redundant/ head scratchers. Carter Rowney who? Was last year. As are others. Then we trade them again. What's the point? This same logic applies top Cogliano. Why? We let grant go at the end of last year, then trade for him again. What's the point? He still never found a left winger for the twins. He always picks up at least one pylon on the blue line. I'm not even going to get into the wiz biz trade. Stoner was signed to a strange contract that we also had to give a player to take him instead of someone else. Sure we had to give up somebody, but you have to give more to get rid of contracts like that. Bieksa was also a head scratcher in the NMC. We hardly ever kept players who were effective after the trade deadline. But stocking up on redundant 3rd and 4th liners is a must. I don't get it. If he picked up REAL GOOD 3rd and 4th liners that would be another story but usually it's from the bargain bin. I'm beginning to suspect it's not the owners policy or our budget. It's BM thinking he's going to get a steal and more often than not it's a fake picasso and not the real one that gets pulled out. Though he seems to think it's the real one.
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18 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
But he also said he wants to surround the young guys with a little more "oomph". Soooo...does that mean dumpster diving in the free agent market?
You can bet it does! Think of how many players he can pick up with that extra cap.
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1 hour ago, ducks07 said:
Best news this off-season IMO. There was no way in hell another team was going to trade for that contract. Im actually quite shocked that the Samueli's ponied up the cash to speed up the process to open the cup window. It was either going to be a buyout or an excruciating two more years of watching a washed up Perry on the ice or more likely in the press box.
He's not washed up. He's just not able to play up to the contract anymore. He had over 50 pts two years ago. Last year he was out most of the year and was trying to catch up to everyone else who were already playing at full speed. But to say that he's washed up is really naive. Heatley, who Bob picked up was washed up. Perry is not at that point yet.
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Perry, as well as Getz, contact is up in two years. We should be fine as far as cap. If anything this gives us a chance to actually get someone useful for next year.
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2 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
I think that there are better odds of the Ducks moving his contract to Seattle if they can’t buy him out. Is Jovanovski the only hockey player that’s done this procedure and come back?
Yeah. When Perry comes off the books the Ducks will just under $40 mil in cap space and could get over $45 mil if Kesler’s contract is moved. Manson, Lindholm, Rakell would need new contracts at that time if they are going to remain in Anaheim, Getzlaf can be extended next summer so there will be ample money.
It’s not ideal but it’s not like Kesler’s contract is going to prevent the Ducks from contending during that time. The Ducks are handcuffed by lack talent/ going through a youth transition. The next couple of seasons are about seeing how that youth pans out. IMO.
As far as I could tell based on the article he's the only hockey player and the first of the major sports leagues to do so. So it's a pretty recent procedure for athletes.
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Yeah, the cap hit would be pro rated to what's remaining of the season. But they're all basically saying that he's not playing next year. And even if he does it will be at the end of the season where the hit won't be very big.
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47 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
I’d just feel more optimistic if there was a bigger sample size of hockey players than just Jovanovski to go off of. Plus, Kesler also has a greater history of hip issues between the two. Assuming he is even able to play again, it’s not like we are going to get 2011-2016 Kesler back. I agree that he’s going to give it a go because that’s the type of guy he is but I don’t think that the Ducks are factoring him in to their plans after next season. It’s not necessarily a bad thing as the Ducks start transitioning towards their young players.
I just hope that he’s able to live a pain-free life going forward.
Oh I agree he's not even been the same Kesler for the past two years. But it's still ultimately his call as he's still got a contract. The article also said several tennis players came back from this surgery. But jovanovski also was out of the league after he came back as the Panthers used a buyout. He said it was because the game became too fast for him. So even if Kesler makes a return he might not be able to keep up and the ducks might buy his last year out.
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Jovanovski actually was the first person truly recorded to play in any one of the four major sports after this kind of surgery. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about here. Plus they were teammates for a time in Vancouver, so he knows Kesler. Anything else is just speculation. If he thinks Kesler can do it if he wants to come back then I trust him more so than any other so called "expert". He basically said in the article that it just depends on Kesler if he really wants to. He said they talked hockey after the surgery so I'm thinking Kesler is going to give it a go. If the lockout doesn't happen he might have a chance. We'll see. Team Kesler anyone?
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Yes, but if there is the lockout in 2020 then you can definitely say it's over.
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1 hour ago, FanSince1993 said:
Good question. Unlike our aging veterans, Kings older players have some trade value. Carter/Quick/Brown can be traded any time for younger players/draft picks.
Not sure who wants Brown. Unless of course you're the preds, they're always looking for someone to join the goon/diving squad. Brown checks all the needed requirements and then some!
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He doesn't have to do anything just collect checks. Now it's possible he may agree to do some kind of a position with the same guaranteed salary if offered to officially retire but I'm not really sure what that would even be. He'd be making more than the HC to do some scouting work? Idk I guess it'd be better than nothing.
I could be wrong but doesn't the team get some kind of insurance to pay part of the salary while on LTIR? Can someone who knows chime in on this?
Anyway, it's a moot point right now without him actually saying he might be done. I still think he's going to make a push to attempt to play next year, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to just quit without really taking another shot at it.
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1 hour ago, FanSince1993 said:
Yes, if he retires, he'll forfeit his remaining salary. He doesn't need money, he made more than enough during his career for himself and his family. What he needs to do now is to take care of his health. LTIR is an option for him, but it doesn't help team. Ducks would be on hook for 3 more years of his salary, won't be able to sign valuable free agents and won't save much on salary cap. If I was GM, I would try to convince him to retire.
What?! Who in their right mind would just do the team a solid? It's a business, he doesn't owe them anything. He's taken a beating for the team. LTIR is what he's going to do IF he decides to hang them up. He may still make a push in the off season, I think he may attempt it, and if it doesn't work out he will hang them up after that. We can't buy out an injured players contract.
I've also been wondering though. The 2003 draft class is coming to the end of their playing careers. I would have to think it's in the back of Perry's and Getz mind, especially seeing the other guys on the team from the same class.
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I understood what you said. I'm merely referring to the fact that earlier in the year everyone was saying to trade out our surplus of def for off. Now I don't consider pettersson for sprong as a huge upgrade at forwards. Vats for Rico was last year. You could actually make an argument that we didn't trade our def for much off. Montour was for another def. So the truth of the matter is in fact the forwards that are coming up are from the minors and not from trades as we expected. In a way, if we kept our def and just waited for the jr ducks we might actually of been better off. Now whether you could have theoretically kept everyone is a whole other matter. But it remains, none the less, that we are no longer as deep at def after trading for some scoring help. No high profile players were acquired, it's debatable whether that's good or bad at this point in having traded off some of the def, as Rico for example is actually a good player. So in a way we're back to square one, just this time we're going to be looking for def as you said. Unless of course Guhle really impresses and the rest of the def really gets it together next year.
Hopefully, our answer to all our imperfections is actually a coach who has a good system. Without that we will lose many more seasons to come.
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Wait, so now we have forwards but no defensemen is what you said? Lol can't do anything right! We had to many def, so we said trade for forwards. Now we have too many forwards and not enough def... 🤷♂️
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I was reading the athletic article about Hall. Don't worry, he's not going to even consider coming here lol. He squirted water at then Edmonton HCDE and he wasn't too happy about that. If any devils player has a chance to come here it's vats. I'd definitely want him to come back!