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PV can still be given a free pass but so far some of the things he's done reminds me of bargain Bob. Dumpster diving is a skill the ducks have acquired over the years.... and not a very good one at that.

Oh yeah +++ even next years first would still be +++. 2oa is just too valuable. I'm not sure what it would take to move up that much especially in this year's draft.

I think it's the right move. It's becoming a slippery slope. This is hockey, let's keep it that way.

Exactly. Nothing wrong with a little seasoning. Fowler I think is an example of that. He should have spent more time in the minors developing. Instead he skipped all that and I think he never became the defenseman he could have been.

No the 2021 Montreal Canadiens were the last time. Corey Perry was a part of those finals.

In that scenario that bombays posted above where bieksa wanted an additional year in exchange for waiving it. Would you have done that? You're probably right that a 2nd rd pick was too low to get them to bite. Maybe instead of Stoner we offered them an actual player who could play, wasn't Stoner injured? So he was a cap dump at the time. So some player + 2nd to not take Manson or Vatanen. This is all moot though because only like a year later Vatanen got traded which was frustrating because we sent Theo to Vegas and he was pretty good for them too. Bob really tied the teams hands with some of those contracts *cough* Bieksa *cough*...

Huh. Interesting. It's 20/20 now but at the time would you have done it? I'm not sure I would have either. I mean Theo wasn't proven and Bieksa wasn't very good either. I wasn't happy that we let Theo go at the time. I'd have rather preferred we sent Vegas a draft pick to take stoner. Maybe like a 2nd or 3rd rd pick and in exchange they pick stoner.

Rico actually would make some sense for NJ. He's a prior playoff hero for them. He's also a pretty good vet and they would need that for the playoffs. Plus for a one year 50% retained contract they wouldn't need to commit a ton of cap and the contract is short term.

Sure but I think it's been mentioned before that players can take up to 6 months to get used to the systems.

I think I'll give him a pass until after new years. Systems take some time to get used to and you need every one to buy in for them to work. Besides, we'll also have a decent amount of personnel changes as well so Thanksgiving is pretty early. Probably even by new years is a little early even given the amount of changes. I'm just hopeful we come out playing with some passion again. I hope guys feel rejuvenated and have a little jump in their step. If we're excited with the changes then I'm sure the guys are also excited to see where this goes. October can't come fast enough...

Too bad the panthers lost. I was rooting for them to win it all. But tbh I didn't care very much about this cup finals. I just miss the ducks being in the playoffs.

Yeah, that was very insightful. It definitely made me feel like we're gonna score big with Fantilli. He also mentioned some ducks prospects that were making some big steps but also said our forward prospects were pretty lackluster in general, which we are already aware of. This makes me think we're going to probably lean more forward heavy this draft, well that and our d prospects are pretty stacked.

Finally watched his interview. He mentioned former head coach Randy and how he was this brilliant hockey mind.... uuummmmm.... I want to like the guy but that made me really nervous not gonna lie.

Oh wow that was pretty hard! Don't know what jack was thinking there, he was almost right in front of him.

Either way you're making big money but you risk a lot more going the bridge deal. The payoff is likely greater but the security an 8 year deal brings its huge though.

I know wild Bill isn't a great comp for a long term or bridge but I have to wonder if guys also see that they can bet on themselves and lose. That that could also be a real possibility.

Agree. We'll only end up paying out more money in the long term and face cap issues sooner.

Not sure what to think about this. Feels... underwhelming.

I know it's difficult to compare goalies across teams but what would Freddie's numbers look like on this team? Wouldn't this also be the second Jennings of his career? He won it with Gibby before.

I think keeping Gibby over Freddie was fine. Freddie isn't the game goalie he once was either. But if Gibson is going to move I'd be fine with getting Freddie back. I think Dostal should play 20-30 games next year and if he shows that he's capable of that maybe bump it up to 30-40. But anyone coming in should be the guy that gets the most of the starts.

What goalie could have actually played here and not tanked his value though? Patrick Roy would have tanked his value here. I'm not saying Gibson is on that level but being a goalie here isn't easy especially thanks to Eakins systems. We've had these debates before and we all understand goalies can get hot or be inconsistent. We've been pretty lucky with our goaltenders overall and hopefully Dostal is the next one in line but I also don't think it's a good idea to throw him in the fire just yet. He needs a full season as backup, that's why Gibson staying another year would be good AND he could very well have better numbers next year if PV actually does something about our defense.

I'm looking over his supposed trade request. What I'm saying is he hasn't been as bad as some make him out to be. And if we were to get rid of him and bring in someone else that our goalie numbers would be much worse. Good goalies who would have possibly done better in this team the last few years would either never sign with us to begin with or would ask for more money because they know that they'd tank their value after the contract is done.

I'm not sure if you're aware or not but goalie save percentage has been dropping. Here's the numbers for average save percentage according to statmuse.com compared with Gibson's numbers (I'm not including the 13-14 seasons because Gibson only played 3 games): 2014-15 Average .915 Gibson .914 2015-16 Average .915 Gibson .920 2016-17 Average .913 Gibson .924 2017-18 Average .912 Gibson .926 2018-19 (first year we don't make the playoffs/ Ducks downfall/ rebuild period begins) Average .910 Gibson .917 2019-20 Average .910 Gibson .904 2020-21 Average .908 Gibson .903 2021-22 Average .907 Gibson .904 2022-23 Average .904 Gibson .899 Considering our drop off his numbers haven't been that far off just being average. Since 2018-19 we've finished as follows: 24th, 27th, 30th, 23rd and 32nd. Here's the problem I see with "just getting an average goaltender and saving money" logic. If Gibson is putting up nearly Average numbers on pretty garbage teams and getting rubber poisoning every night with one of the worst defenses in the NHL, what do you think an average goaltender in the league who likely has average numbers playing for BETTER teams is going to do here? You don't need a PhD in hockey to figure out that it's not going to work out as well as you think it would. If you think we've dropped off hard now, wait till someone Average comes in. We'll be in the lottery again, though to be fair we're also on the up and up so any goalie coming in will (hopefully) have an easier time than Gibson. I'm not sure people are giving him credit for the work he's put in. That said I'm not saying he's perfect either. He has his own faults and needs to be better too. But you're mistaken if you think another goalie is just going to walk in here and be a whole lot better.

No way they do that. Even they have to understand that they're going to have to rebuild soon.

LA? Quick was not a flash in the pan goalie. Neither is Gibby. He got paid because he was a really good goaltender. The problem is he signed his contract just as the team was on the decline. So he basically has been on a rebuilding team in his prime years. I still don't think he's going anywhere though. His contract is still too long for any real trade to make sense. He probably plays out this year and MAYBE next off season makes sense. Besides I don't see why he'd go to the pens, they're going to be in the same rebuilding boat as we are very very soon.