g20topdogg

Since we're starting this thread... Let's hope to a good season of progress and actually something to cheer about. Tired of losing, let's play some meaningful hockey soon!

What do you mean? We signed the biggest contracts in FA. If anything we did the MOST out of any team in FA. The unfortunate timing of it all is this FA class wasn't the greatest. Oh well, you can't time everything I guess.

It makes sense because Terry got his big extension while Zegras is still unsigned. I still think Z man Zegras is the face of the team or at least the future face. Maybe this signals that Terry will be our new captain? If Z gets a bridge I could for sure see that happening.

I think you're right. I couldn't figure out who the first guy is.

I'm not sure why Drysdale's contact isn't done yet. Imo it seemed like the easiest of the three to get done. Verbeek sat around playing this long game. Now Sanderson signed a huge deal and I think it had thrown a wrench into the negotiations. Granted it doesn't really matter what anyone gets because Drys doesn't have any leverage. But still I'm not liking the way Verbeek does things.

I think if Bob shopped less in the clearance isle and more in the pricier name brand sections we'd probably either win a cup or extend our contention window. It's why I'm hesitant when I'm seeing Verbeek do many of the same things.

I mentioned Tampa and I'll do it again. They arguably extended their cup window by trading for good players using their picks. Eaves was a good pickup and had instant chemistry with Getzy. Maybe if we're smarter with our trades we try to find younger and less injury prone guys. It's still sort of a losing strategy because eventually you run out of luck and prospects. But if you're smart you get actual players that can help extend your runs.

I think that's a good way to manage the cap structure. Though to be fair Tampa has no income tax while Cali has one of the highest taxes in the league so the 9.5 figure probably wouldn't work but the idea makes sense. Although point and kucherov are far better players than anyone we currently have on the open market they would get a lot more than 9.5.

So Zegras out produces both of those guys. Ok why should that matter? He should be given a comparable contract for HIS production and his peers and not because you can take a bunch of guys, add them together and their production is less for say 15 mil. Does that mean we should give Zegras 15 mil? It's a weird comparison that doesn't apply here. Zegras should be worth comparable to his peers with similar production. Tommer mentioned Aho. I'm asking the question, why is Zegras being valued much higher?

You'd have to think that this contract would affect Drysdales bridge deal also right? Like after seeing this maybe the hold up is how much Drysdale is worth given these kinds of contacts. Before I thought maybe he takes a 3-4 mil deal for 2-3 years but now he's probably arguing he's worth at least 5-6 mil right?

That seems too high. You made a comparison to Aho who put up better numbers in his final year to get a contract that's just under 8.5. Why are you valuing Zegras at over 1.25 mil more per year? I'd go close to 9 mil. Anything more than that is an overpay at this time. Zegras is a good player, he just hasn't shown enough to get that large of a contract. I seriously doubt any team would offer him that much even if he went ufa right now.

I think what Tampa is doing by trading their 1st rd picks for legit nhl players is pretty smart. It will probably come back to bite you in the end but if you think about it what are the chances your 20+ draft pick ends up being a good nhler? Whereas you trade it for a known nhler. If we had traded those Lundestrom, Jones, Steel, Tracy, etc picks for legit nhl talent maybe we end up contending for the Cup longer. But then again Rakell, Perry, Gibson are guys that you miss out on potentially. Late round picks that end up being really good players who also would help contend and on bargain ELC's. So it's a gamble for sure but if your contention window is open I think it's actually a pretty smart decision because you for sure get nhl talent for those picks rather than gamble on whether or not they become that. But like Detroit it will come back to haunt you when your prospect pipeline is junk.

It's also bigger than Perry's contract. Granted they signed a long time ago but Pears had to get a Hart and Richard to earn that.

I think 8x8.75 would be a good deal for both sides. Z gets more than Hughes and closer to 9 mil. The team gets him for 8 years and if he goes off then we get a good contract. But there's also a lot of risk for the team here as well because if Zegras stays a 60-70 pt player that contract will be pretty bad.

You're probably right that he will get that time but I think fans are going to start getting ruffled up if this season won't have some kind of good progress. We need to show improvement but if PV wastes this season on trying to get another bottom 3 pick, sure it's great that we're getting top picks but like someone else mentioned that we're heading in the direction of the oilers who wasted season after season in mediocrity.

I don't think he should be just yet. I think the biggest change PV needed to make was the coach. But it kind of seems like a bit of an underwhelming hire, especially considering he could have hired him last season but he decided to keep Eakins instead. I still think that was a bad move, Carlsson not withstanding. I'm willing to give him this year to see if the moves he made pay off. He seems more BM than Yzerman so far and I'm not very happy about that. But a new coach was what I really wanted this team to have, I just hope we don't go through Eakins 2.0 for another three to four years.

It doesn't have to be a band aid if we got a decent coach. Yeah we don't end up drafting Carlsson, or maybe we still do. What if we had a better season and guys took us off their no trade lists? Maybe we don't end up with an aging Killorn and Gudas and get younger guys to come instead? A lot of what ifs. We can debate this until eternity but one scenario has already played out so I guess we just roll with the punches. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we got Carlsson though. The future will show whether or not this Plan B(eek) will work or not. But something tells me we may have gotten a new coach but the GM seems a little too familiar....

I never thought about it that way. I know PV came onto the scene halfway through the season and we were waiting on a new coaching hire. Instead he gives Eakins another year and the guy we end up signing was available last year. Sure maybe he needed time to assess things but maybe he just really does so things really slow? What happens when the team is a contender again, will he pull the trigger or end up like what Bob did during our contender window by hesitating or not willing to spend when the time came? This really slow process is concerning.

That's in reference to BM. He only had Eakins for 3 years. PV added the 4th... unfortunately.

Well.... technically it was three.😜 He may have rode big coattails but we did get close a couple of times I think in the mid 2010's. That Chicago series was widely considered the true Stanley Cup final. I believe even the hawks players mentioned that series as one of the most brutal that they were apart of. BM had plenty of issues though and honestly I'm getting ptsd from some of the moves Verbeek has made. So far it doesn't seem like we really changed GM's. It sort of feels like a continuation but with less drunkenness. But I will say this, though PV is getting his fair share of hate he did get the most expensive player in FA this year and one of the most expensive last year. The problem is that one was terrible for us this past year and the other seems too old. Though still, he's still making pretty big moves in a vacuum.

Getzy himself said that had he decided to be traded, or left via ufa, he probably would continue playing because he watched his buddy Perry go on cup runs. All the while we were going nowhere.

And the waiver wire guys were picking up are? I'd rather watch a kid try to stick in the league then these guys.

What? You're saying that Zegras intentionally didn't score so the Ducks get a high pick and he loses out on millions of $? Ok sure I guess you can believe in this crazy conspiracy that all the players LOST MONEY. Makes sense for guys to play bad so they could not get another contract in the league too. Makes a lot of sense actually... a lot of non- sense...

I understand not rushing players but at some point you gotta give them chances. How long are these guys going to marinate for? Besides, I can understand letting players cook because you have picked up great talent so you're setting the bar high but that's not what's happening here. The bar is set so low with borderline nhlers it's not helping anyone.

Yeah this is my issue as well. We're not loaded with forward talent in San Diego but I'd like to see more of those guys get chances over the likes of Kassian. Besides Kassian isn't much better than a borderline NHL forward anyway. He doesn't move the needle in any direction. Give the Gulls more love, they can't be any worse than these potential pickups. I hope we don't end up signing him.