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3 minutes ago, DT2008 said:
Meh. Had the season played out, there is a good chance the Rags would have been in the lottery anyway. Not exactly a destination that develops young talent. I may be out on a limb, but just don’t see him as a generational talent.
If we are talking a generational talent like Crosby or McDavid, then yeah, that's a crazy bar to reach. Still think he's a surefire game changer and franchise level player for the Rangers.
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Just now, Jasoaks said:
ok phew! Rangers
They can still go kick rocks getting the 2nd and 1st overall picks in back to back years lol. Of course, I am just bitter because nothing close to that would ever happen to the Ducks.
Minnesota deserved it.
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Just remember and be sad that the Ducks will have more Cups than first overall picks...forever!
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3 minutes ago, dukitup said:
Whether or not he is happy with the trade is a mute point (imo) since he has zero trade protection. I'm sure his angst coming to Anaheim can be tempered with a stroll along Newport Beach. There's also a 10M contract that is freed up for Buffalo, that is sitting right up against the cap with some contracts coming due. I think Lindholm, #6 and a player to be named NOT named Zegras is sufficient. If not, then no deal.
Yeah, he has no trade protection but I don't think it's a moot point, because if he's unhappy going to a bad Anaheim team then he could simply force another trade out of town. Jeff Carter did not want to get traded to Columbus from Phily, made it known, and got the Blue Jackets to trade him within half a season to LA. Though, my guess would be that Eichel would let a team wanting to trade for him know if he wouldn't be interested in going there and not to waste the time or assets on trading for him.
If the Sabres do trade Eichel, then they are heading into a rebuild and are going to want young assets and picks to help them do that. The 6th overall pick (is nice but your odds of getting another Eichel are still very low) and Lindholm (who they would have to give a contract extension to soon or lose for nothing) I don't think gets you one of the premier centers in the NHL, who is only 23 years old and under contract for six more years. If I am Buffalo, then I am demanding Zegras in the trade. Luckily, it doesn't make much sense for the Ducks to trade for Eichel, all things considered, and there's no trade to be made, IMO.
Newport Beach is nice, but Eichel is from the east coast and has clearly stated that he wants to play in the playoffs. If he wants to live near California beaches, then why not LA? They actually have the assets to trade for him and would still have a top-3 prospect pool even after doing so. To be clear, I don't think LA should make a trade or that Eichel would want to go there, but just that LA has a stronger trade position in terms of assets than the Ducks do to make a trade happen.
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On 8/7/2020 at 4:45 PM, gorbachav5 said:
So let's assume Edmonton loses this game and goes on to win the lottery (of course).
John Gibson + the Bruins' 1st for the 1st overall
Who says no? And why?
I think in your follow up post where the Ducks give up the 6th overall and Gibson is more in the ballpark to get the first overall pick, assuming whoever wins the draft lottery would be willing it. I don't think that goalies, even one as good as Gibson, have extremely high trade values, which is why the 6th overall would need to be involved. Patrick Roy was a star and got a return of Jocelyn Thiabult, Martin Rucinsky and Andrei Kovalenko in the famous Colorado trade! I like Dostal and hope that he his able to come over to North America sometime this season and in 2-3 years, we have another Gibson/Andersen situation on our hands. If Dostal is the real deal, then trading Gibson, possibly in 2022, when the league finances should be stronger and that draft class looks to be absolutely loaded may be a better move, IMO. So, I wouldn't trade Gibson at this point but its likely moot because I think the odds are overwhelming that the pick won't be on the trading block or that the Murray would attempt to trade for it if was lol.
5 hours ago, Jasoaks said:Yeah, I mean, that trade makes a lot of sense to me, too. And I think you may be right about Lindholm....
But I can't imagine Eichel being upset with the losing atmosphere in Buffalo exactly excited about entering the...losing atmosphere in Anaheim lol but we may have a sooner upside than the Sabers.
Although with Eichel wanting out...I think Murray could find a way to keep the #6... Linholm + Steel/Jones + 6th for a former #2 not playing like a former #2 that wants out??...Lindholm (former #6) + Steel AND Jones I'd say should be enough haha
I very much agree with the bolded. Not sure why Eichel would be happy to go to a rebuilding Anaheim team that is worse than the Buffalo team that he is currently on. He wants to be in the playoffs now and the Ducks don't provide him a great chance to do that. If there were a theoretical trade to be made for Eichel, I don't think there's any chance that the Ducks could get him without the 6th overall pick AND Zegras being involved.
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5 hours ago, DucksFan_08 said:
Don't rule out the devils. Don't they hold vancouver's and arizona's pick? If 1 or 2 go out they just might become the oilers of the east.
Haha. Pittsburgh, Edmonton or New Jersey getting 1st overall will be awful, but still not as bad as LA getting #2
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2 hours ago, Jasoaks said:
ugh...I don't want to know that was an option lol
But like, honestly, I still wonder about the development of our young players...I'm wondering if there's an issue with the way we develop players...I dunno.
Larsson went 8 spots ahead of Aho. It stings lol
It’s a very fair question when looking at forwards and scoring. Unfortunately, Murray is still GM.
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6 hours ago, poum said:
I'm still kinda upset about the 2005 draft. Ducks got jobbed! We had a Crosby in the pocket! But we got a Bobby Ryan as a consolation prize.
Yeah, that was tough. If the Penguins are on the brink of bankruptcy then they will get the 1st overall pick for a generational all-time great player (Lemieux/Crosby).
I’m bummed now that we could have had Aho!
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If only we had drafted Aho instead of Larsson in 2015!!
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Only 6 years and 60 mil left on Bobrovsky’s contract. Ouch Florida.
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23 hours ago, MooseDuck said:
Good Point I have faith that both will turn out well for our Ducks if right guidiance and mentoring form Dallas can help them both become who we expect them to be in pretty much reliable Goal Scorers.....However We should not rule out Ducks signing some Vets to help with the Development. Like...Erik Haula or Trade for Kapanen.
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I think that they can be reliable role players but I'm not expecting them to shoulder the offensive burden in the future. Any trade of significance for the next while should be primarily focused on loading up the prospect pool as much as possible, IMO. If done well enough, then we can start moving excess pieces and assets to bolster the roster with more established NHLers.
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27 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:
Yeah, SAME about Vats...yeah, honestly, the Canes look pretty legit...minus goaltending.
Also, wow did the Pens look meh last night. I mean Price showed up, but the Pens PP was just really bland. I couldn't believe they couldn't get anything going on that extended 5 on 3...also, Suzuki... damn. Future Selke right there. You can see he's gonna really develop well.
Yeah, Suzuki has been very good and has some real potential. Definitely helps Montreal's future after getting him in the Pacioretty trade. Hope Murray is taking notes lol. Not too worried about the Pens, unless they lose Game 2, I think they just have too much firepower for Montreal to overcome. That said, Go Habs!
Really liking the Coyotes putting a hurting on the Preds early on.
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15 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:
Hawks/Canes looking pretty solid!....Panthers...ugh...look pretty bad.
Agreed. The Canes/Rangers game was great, it had everything. It made me sad watching the Vatman quarterbacking their PP though. I remember all the way back to two years ago when we rivaled Carolina with our defensive depth, but oh man, they are so stacked on blueline.
We'll know that the NHL is truly back if Edmonton loses to Chicago and then gets the 1st overall pick.
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5 hours ago, Fisix said:
i have high hopes both for his skill development and for his potential future leadership. i get the feeling he's going to settle into a really calm kick-ass dude, as long as his skills pick up a bit and in a regular fashion.
I can see Milano flirting with a 20 goal season if he's really feeling it but even getting more than 12 would be good. The LW position is going to be interesting going forward.
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9 hours ago, MooseDuck said:
Happy Ducks have signed Milano for 2 years....good deal and bridge deal for both our team and the Milano.....Not sure what you mean By "Fun Money" but I hope the Ducks can invest wisely and get some vets to join our Teams Cause.
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Hope Milano has Pontus Aberg-like production but without the character issues!
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3 hours ago, nieder said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Larsson is on the way out. We have a lot of other defensemen lining up for those last 2 spots.
Yeah, wouldn't surprise me either. Larsson has done himself no favors. His contract is going to be cheap, so maybe Murray gives him a chance to at least up his trade value.
8 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:Don't forget that the Seattle expansion fee is $650 million, which will be split evenly among all existing 31 teams. That works out to roughly $21 million of extra cash coming the Ducks way. With that kind of a windfall coming, the Ducks should absolutely be either weaponizing cap space (esp Kesler's LTIR space) to add picks, making a run at a pending UFA/RFA, or squeezing a cap-strapped team for a good young player they can no longer afford. My personal preference is the latter two, because being out of the playoffs sucks.
My preference is for the former lol. The Ducks are going to be looking up at most of teams in Pacific for the next two seasons which is noticeably weaker overall than the Central. Missing the playoffs isn't fun but we are paying the price for all of those division titles and two WCF runs. It's just our time to suck. Unless Terry, Steel, Jones, Comtois become major contributors, I don't see them getting back to the playoffs or making deep runs until they get some huge hits (and luck) in the upcoming drafts.
I really hope the Ducks weaponize their cap space too but my gut feeling is that the pandemic is going to take such a major financial toll that the Ducks will use most of the expansion money to help cushion the blow. Full arenas aren't happening for a long time so I think the Ducks are going to look to reduce expenditures more than anything.
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5 minutes ago, Fisix said:
Mitch!
I'd take on Loui Erikkson's contract from Vancouver for their 2022 1st round pick!
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6 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
I don’t know what kind of budget the Samuelis have given GMBM to work with, but check out the difference between salary expenditure and the cap number for next season. $12M difference. Wow.
Yeah, that is something and I'd like to know how much money they are letting Murray work with. The Ducks will be in a position to weaponize cap, assuming it's in the budget. Taking advantage of teams needing reduce cap space and payrolls would be nice but I doubt the Samuelis are going to want to add much additional salary, unless they are also moving some out.
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Milano signed for two years, $1.7 mil aav. Decent low-risk move. Ducks currently with $4.1 mil in cap space (not including Kesler's LTIR) and only needing to sign Larsson and a back-up goalie for next season. In 2021, cap space is currently projected to be at $32 mil and $55 mil in 2022. They are going to have a lot of fun money at their disposal those years.
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14 hours ago, Fisix said:
well... i haven't been keeping tabs, honestly, but i think Toronto is going to have to move someone big to free up cap space, and Mitch is the player that'll move the most in one go.
while i think nylander is very tradeable skills-wise, his cap hit/performance isn't as good as mitch's (nylander's contract is too expensive), and even if they are able to shift his entire salary over to a new team, they're still well over the cap at that point (i'm seeing $95M as their current cap hit?).
it'll hurt a bit getting Mitch, but that's not a surprise.
you should be more optimistic about TT and MaxC!
I think nylander would be more likely to get moved to help resolve their cap issues, but still don’t think the Ducks should make a play for him either. The timing just isn’t right for to make a blockbuster acquisition. Load up on picks and hope that we crush it at the next couple of drafts.
With Terry and Comtois, I think they should be decent players and will have rolls on the Ducks. As far as them being 1st liners or even 2nd line locks, I think there’s quite a bit of development needed if they are going to get there. If either of them are reliable 30-35 point guys then that’s pretty good value, imo.
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22 hours ago, Fisix said:
the only thing is that I think with Mitch, or a young super-star-ish player like him, all of a sudden I think it becomes easier to be a contender in the UFA hunts. still not enough for someone to take a pay hit to come to Anaheim, but markedly better than we look right now. plus, i'm wondering about Mitch, Max, and TT on the same line? Getz, RR, and Silf or Hank on another? I don't think I've matched the players right, but i think you start to see some possibilities?
Gibson - he's super valuable based on his contract and his performance over the past 2 years... so i feel bad that we can't get him more championship and post season play, but it's not like he's looking bad in the interim. i hope he can stay healthy past the end of his current contract - if he can, he'll get paid no matter what, and he'll probably be able to decide which SC-bound team he wants to play for.
can get get a Mitch, or a young super-star-ish player like him, without losing Gibby?
Maybe, but I think the two things that attract UFA's more than anything are 1) money and 2) a legitimate chance to contend for a cup. With the Ducks not being big free agency spenders (they'd get theoretically get Marner via trade) and clearly rebuilding, I don't think adding Marner changes either of those things because the rest of the roster can't really support him. In Toronto, Marner is paired with Matthews or Tavares and not an aging Getzlaf or Henrique. Pairing him with Terry (I'm assuming Terry shifts to Center) and Comtois assumes that both of those guys are going to take considerable leaps and will able to compliment him. As of now, I wouldn't bet on that happening. Once the Ducks have a capable new core of players, then I am all for looking at signing impact FA's to help make deep playoff runs. Of course, this all assumes that a young, super star player like Marner is even available. I don't think he is and players of his caliber aren't traded very often...unless Peter Chiarelli is your GM. A Marner would likely cost the Ducks a top defensemen, a quality prospect and a high draft pick which the Ducks don't have an excess of. If a top-end player is available for a trade, I'd be more worried about LA getting them because they the pieces to make it work without really hurting their talent pool.
As far as Gibson goes, I don't know if his trade value would be enough to land a superstar player. Freddie Andersen, who is one of the better goalies in the league, got the us a late first and 2nd round pick back in 2016. That said, I don't think there is any realistic offer that I would take for Gibson at this point and would only consider moving him if he tries to force his way out of Anaheim. We have a franchise-caliber goalie for the next seven years (knock on wood for the injury Gods), during which I'd like to think we will be able to put together another solid team to give him a chance at the Cup.
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4 minutes ago, Fisix said:
the only reason why i don't agree is because Mitch (and other NHL players) is a known good and can make an impact on the NHL team now, whereas the high pics are just unknown chaff that'll have to go through the sausage making machine before they play at the Pond. Gibson is young, but he's not wait around for 2020 or 2021 picks to mature-young.
Yeah, I agree that a player like Marner improves the Ducks now, but I can't see where it's to the degree that the Ducks window to make the playoffs, let alone contend, opens back up by adding him. They were the 5th worst scoring team in the NHL. That's an awful lot of ground to cover. My other issue is, who is he going to play with down the road? Getzlaf is 35, Henrique will be 31 next season, Rakell will be a UFA in 2022 and Steel, Terry Jones, Comtois have yet to, and may not make the necessary impacts that the Ducks need to become good again. Zegras is likely going to need a couple of seasons before we see what he can become. The drop off after Zegras in the pipeline I think is pretty notable and after him, I think the next best overall prospect that we have is Dostal. The Ducks aren't going anywhere unless they really bolster their prospect pool with more high end players. The upcoming draft will help and maybe Murray will make a bold move such as trying to get the 8th overall pick or moving up like he tried to do last year to get Krebs. Those are the kinds of moves that I hope to see and think we'll need to make going forward. If we did that and then get a top-5 pick in 2022, which might be the next 2003 super draft, then I think we'd have the foundation in place to contend again. The 2022 draft is going to be hyped up the wazoo.
I feel so bad for Gibson after what the Ducks have subjected him to for the last 2 + seasons, especially his workload. Maybe he regrets signing that 8-year extension but hopefully he has enough faith and patience in the organization to ride this out. If he wants to stay with the Ducks, then I don't think he has a choice lol.
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On 7/14/2020 at 6:28 PM, Fisix said:
i suppose the smart thing would be to sort out the big fish among the team NOW, before the ED, but distribute it out so that Seattle doesn't get to steal as good a team as Vegas.
so, it's not out of the realm of possibility for us to get some new high end expensive blood... but we'll absolutely lose stuff in the trade.
do we cut a few decent D for a stellar F? Cam or Lindholm for Mitch Marner? We know what we're missing, and we know what the Leafs are missing, and we know what both of us can protect in the ED. It's not rocket science.
Yeah, I think that Murray has until next year's trade deadline to position himself for the Expansion Draft but the Ducks are in a much better position than they were when Vegas came in. Of course, that's due in large part that we don't nearly have the amount of quality players to protect this time around. I'd rather move a quality defensemen for high picks than for Marner-esque player at this point (even if were possible that we could land a high-end player). The Ducks are missing ALOT and adding additional picks, especially 1st rounders, should be a priority especially for the 2022 draft. Bite the bullet in the short-term and load up for the future.
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4 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:
Terry now locked up for three years. Terms still not reported as of this post, but I'm guessing/hoping it will be something close to the Ritchie contract - i.e. ~$1.5M AAV with salary increasing progressively over the life of the contract.
Yep, $1.45 mil/aav which is right in line with Ritchie ($1.49 mil) got and Terry gets $1.55 mil in the final year. Not bad at all. If Terry can put up 25-30 pts then it's a solid contract for the Ducks and he's still an RFA when it's up. I'm just waiting for the day when we have a player worth giving a max extension to!
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I think whether the Ducks get Drysdale or not that you have to consider moving Manson going forward. I don’t see what trading for Nylander/Kapanen/Marner does in the long run. IMO, the Ducks still aren’t a playoff team with either of those guys. Certainly not even close to contending. It would be like putting a great paint job on a car that won’t take you 5 miles. The Ducks need an entire engine overhaul and the parts to do it which is what we hope to get in next 2-3 drafts