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15 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
Yeah, gotta find a DeBrincat, Skinner, Guentzel, Connor, Kreider, Robinson, Point, Kaprizov, Reinhart, Nylander, Kempe, Hintz type. I don't know if Terry or Zegras is it - they miss the net quite a bit. I don't think Leo will be it, but maybe.
It might be McTavish moving forward. Six games in and it's Vatrano with a bullet!😂
Gunner needed, apply within.
I think Zegras and Terry are better than what they've shown so far this season. Both can be 30-goal scorers.
But the team absolutely needs a sniper. They really don't have it in their system. Pastujov was scratched yesterday. Maybe someone will rise through the ranks, but I think they are going to want one as soon as next season.
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I have a feeling that "scoring" thing is going to be a tough one to get away from.
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28 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
Four points in October and March is better though. These wins shouldn't be an either/or.
And resting him two games into his season will never make any sense to me (unless he's actually still injured). I'm fine with managing his load over the first half of the season, but two games in and he needs a break?? 7-8 games in, sure, I can buy that. But not two. If he's healthy, then sitting him after two games is just dumb.
Without knowing the details of the plan, I don't see how you can make this conclusion. I can see many possible reasons that sitting him two games into his season makes sense. Just to name a few (that I've mentioned already):
- Maybe there are specific workouts they want him doing to get stronger and they don't want him recovering from a game or having to play a game the next day.
- Maybe the organization and Leo/his agent pre-agreed to the exact dates he'd be missing and they don't want to set a precedent of going against the agreement whenever it suits their purpose. That's a dangerous path if the goal is to do what's best for the player.
- It's clear the plan is based on a weekly schedule (that's what Lebrun's tweet mentioned), so in that sense, it doesn't matter how many games into the season it is.
27 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:So I'm still a little unsure about the two game plan. Two games per week? Two games on then two games off? There are two games left this week and two games next week, so is playing in all 4 games? I guess we're left to see who tweets what's going on.
Lebrun's tweet specifically said "two games per week for the first two months of the season." That's all we have to go on, but that's pretty specific. Perhaps they are strategically selecting which two games he'll play each week, either based on the workouts they want him doing or based on matchups or some combination.
21 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:I generally don’t start doing major takeaways so early in the season. Right about Thanksgiving is where teams show whether they are legit or were paper tigers to start the season. You might play a team early on still trying to get into the groove of the season who is then a powerhouse a couple months later. Remember two years ago when the Ducks went on an 8-game winning streak in November, were leading the Pacific at one point, only to go careening off a cliff?
That said, this team is better than I expected to start the season. I still don’t see where they are going to get enough scoring from even if they can still respectable defensively. I still see them ending up with a top-10 pick when it’s all said and done. At the moment, I have more long term optimism
I agree it's too early. And we've already seen them come back to earth a bit in that Columbus game. But there is a VAST difference between the way this team is playing and the way that one was, even when they were winning games. The shot disparity is night and day. But definitely, let's wait until Thanksgiving and see how the expected goals look at that point.
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6 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
I 100% agreed with the bolded before the season started. Now, I'm not so sure. The way this team played against Dallas, Carolina, and Boston has me questioning whether they are even going to be a bottom-10 team at the end of the season. LaCombe, and Mintyukov have been revelations so far for a team that I was convinced lacked talent and depth on the blueline, and I think it's been a game changer for this team. The Ducks have outplayed each and every one our opponents for vast stretches of every game, and they're doing it (a) without Killorn, Drysdale, and McGinn (and Carlsson for 4/6 games), (b) with almost no offensive production from Terry and Zegras, (c) with one of the worst PP% in the league, and (d) while the whole team is still figuring out an entirely new system. Record aside, I'm stunned by what I've seen so far, especially at 5-on-5.
This team has the ability to get rolling and to win games in bunches, and I'm starting to believe there's a good chance they're going to end up closer to the playoffs than anyone thought they could be.
If they determined that this load management plan will have Carlsson fresher at the end of the season, that still works with a view of trying to push for a playoff spot. I'm one who firmly believes that two points in October is the same as two points in March. However, without knowing which games Carlsson is going to sit, that could be part of the strategy.
As fans, we look at the two games he sat and wonder what the heck Verbeek is thinking. Why sit him at home instead of at Arizona? Why sit him against Columbus? If you believe that the Ducks have a shot at making the playoffs, you want Carlsson playing against a potential competitor for a Wild Card spot (Arizona). And you don't care as much if you cede points to non-conference opponents (maybe they thought they had a better chance of beating Columbus without Carlsson than they did Boston or Philly).
If we use the "two games per week" as a guideline, Carlsson could play 11 or 12 of the 17 games before the end of November. It's possible to space those out so that he's only missing one game against a conference opponent (my guess is that he would miss one of the back-to-backs against Nashville or Colorado in mid-November, probably Colorado).
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Definitely a sign that Drysdale is going to be out for a while. Is it also a sign that Luneau is heading back to juniors? Or that they're not happy with Vaakanainen? Vaakainen seems like he's been fine. His numbers last night were bad. They were good against the Bruins, but everyone was good against the Bruins. Relatively, he's been poor, but not egregiously so.
He hasn't stood out to me, other than one shift last night late in the game where he busted his butt to get back on an odd-man rush that I don't think was his fault. I do remember thinking that he had some good wheels. Not standing out seems good for Vaakanainen. I don't think he's the type you want to stand out.
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8 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
The power play is 5.3%. Should the coaches be called out for that or not? Max Jones was playing on the top line last night, why? Zegras is playing both LW and C on different nights depending on when Carlsson is allowed to play. Was that a Zegras decision or a Verbeek decision? Did any other players make bad decisions in last nights game, I'm sure they did. Why is there so much pressure on a 22yo to be perfect? He's played much better on defense this season, he's cleaned up his act by not taking penalties yet it seems the brunt of the negativity goes to him. Does he make mistakes? Obviously. So does everyone else on the team but they don't get benched for a period.
Newell Brown has proven he's not a good power play coach. He should go, and I'm not sure why he didn't.
The rest of this is begging the question.
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17 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Two thirds of the team would be sitting on the pine because of "boneheaded stuff".
Take a stupid penalty, you keep on playing. Keep on taking stupid penalties, you keep on playing. Make a bad decision with the puck then hey, Zegras gets benched even if Zegras wasn't the culprit. In this case he was but I saw plenty of players turning the puck over continuously without the same treatment.
Which other player took the puck behind the net on a 3-on-1 and then passed it to the other team? Zegras is better and smarter than that and should be held to a higher standard.
I'm genuinely curious - do you reflexively disagree with everything Ducks coaches and management do? The negativity toward them is relentless.
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25 minutes ago, ike8228 said:
Has this happened before? I just can’t recall another star rookie going through these motions. And the reasoning of, well he played a lot of games over the summer, should be moot because a lot of those same rookies I am describing, did the same thing in their time.
It is either one 1. A brilliant plan of future development, 2. And idiotic plan of unprecedented proportions, 3. Leo is actually hurt, 4. Trying to half tank for a higher pick again?
I think there's a much less dramatic possibility: It's a well-meaning, albeit completely tone-deaf, plan that is reasonable in its scope and purpose but its actual impact will never be truly known.
And that's my guess. The Ducks have a bunch of information, they've crunched data and consulted experts, they've talked to Leo and his agent, and they've formulated this load management plan. As fans, it's hard to argue the intent - they're trying to ensure that Carlsson, who, if developed properly, could become a top 5 Duck in team history, actually hits that ceiling. But it's very easy to argue with the execution in that it's incredibly annoying to finally be excited about Ducks hockey and have one of the main reasons for that excitement hidden behind a curtain. We're like Charlie Brown running to kick the football.
The kicker is that, regardless of what happens in the future, no one will be able to look back on this and say with certainty that it worked or didn't work. If Carlsson falters, people who hate it will say that it's because the Ducks treated him with kid gloves. The people who are ok with it will say that the failure occurred because of something else. If he succeeds, vice versa. The Ducks might have ways to measure success with this program, but us fans will never be privy to them. The argument will go on forever. Which is why I think the organization should be more transparent about this so at least we can discuss the merits of the plan and not get caught up in the outcomes.
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2 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
What I don't like are the Ducks promoting Carlsson with all the build up and the GM showing excitement about the season to get the fanbase all hyped up and hopefully ready to spend money then BAM.... uh well we had a plan that we can't divulge the exact details of where Carlsson is going to sit out games but thanks for buying those tickets and merchandise.
Yeah, at best it's confusing. At worst, it's deception that's going to drive fans away who were looking forward to finally having exciting hockey to watch.
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26 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:
I guess I’ll defer to professional trainers and sports science that there’s logic and sound reasoning for this, but boy is it annoying
I'm not happy with it either. I'll defend the plan and the general reason for it, but it sure would be nice to know some details behind the plan. Maybe not the exact games he's going to be sitting, but how and why they arrived at this plan and what it entails.
Sitting one game of a back to back is one thing. Sitting two games in a row when one of them was a rookie showdown that both fanbases were yearning for - that reeks of Mike Babcock putting a rookie in the pressbox when Toronto was playing in the kid's hometown. Not quite as egregious, maybe, but with the same callous disregard for fans of the sport.
Again, perhaps this is supported by whatever detailed conditioning plan they made. But some insight into that plan would be appreciated so we're not left guessing.
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32 minutes ago, ike8228 said:
Ya get some games out of Zell and some out of Luneau, sprinkled in between some Helleson, bide the time needs for Drys to get healthy, give the kids some time with the team and not burn years off the ELCs.
I don't think that matters for anyone but Luneau. Zellweger and Helleson already have the clock ticking.
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21 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:
JD going to the IR, big bummer. Wonder if they burn a year of Luneau. I can’t imagine they will. So that opens it up for Vaaks to get a spot I think
How's Helleson looked in San Diego this season? He could be an option on Fowler's right as well.
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20 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:
Are we ignoring Strome has 4 assists in 5 games? I get the points are there, but the process is, Z and Terry have been dominant. I do agree that Rico, Fowler and Silf have had a rough go of it.
Yeah, those latter three are the ones I'd point out are disappointing. Maybe Terry as well, since even though he's driving play, he's not doing it in his usual efficient way. But Zegras is doing everything you want, the puck just isn't going in. I don't care if Strome never scores another goal if he has 65 assists on the season.
Let's all say it together, Zegras and Terry are not going to shoot this poorly the whole season.
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52 minutes ago, hoxxey said:
It really bugs me that he didn't want to "overpay" for DeBrincat - he's killing it in Detroit...
Probably because he thinks he is too small.
That thinking is old fashioned and archaic.
Joe Montana was too frail and had a rag arm...
He's in the hall of fame.
It just bugs me.
There could be 100 reasons why Verbeek didn't trade for Debrincat. It's not fair to assume one and then blame him for it.
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1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
I think Washington thought they could take one or two more kicks at the can. They recently re-signed Wilson and traded a first round pick in February for Sandin. They also probably want to help Ovechkin get the goal record. I’d kick the tires on it!
The goal record is the only thing that matters, and I think the only reason they traded that 1st round pick was because they got it in the Orlov deal. I'm all for kicking the tires on a Mantha deal. The Ducks desperately need another forward who can score and they might as well see if Mantha can improve in a different place. I'm just skeptical that the Capitals would be so desperate to get rid of his cap hit that they'd include an asset.
Mantha was pretty bad last year, and his last good season was four years ago. He might not be long for the NHL.
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17 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
LeBanc going on waivers. Mantha is a healthy scratch. Garland not the only one on their way out of town.
Mantha has just this year left on his deal. I’d see what Beek can get from Washington if they want to move off his contract
Washington is in a rebuild. I can't see them giving up future assets to move on from any contracts at this point. If anything, they would eat money on it and try to get a mid-level draft pick.
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20 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
Or....
Zegras-McTavish-Terry
Killorn-Carlsson-Strome
Vatrano-Henrique-McGinn
Jones-Carrick-Leason/Silf
I think there are a lot of permutations that would work very well. It's a much better situation up front than we've seen over the past several seasons.
The only thing I don't like about this permutation is that Strome and Carlsson seem like they would try to pass the puck into the net too often. They're both pass first guys, and neither has a great shot (although I expect Carlsson's to improve).
That said, I thought this about Getzlaf-Terry as well, and Getzlaf turned Terry into a scorer. I don't know if that would happen here.
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At least we have San Jose to make us feel better. They were arguably as bad as the Ducks last season, but didn't get the draft pick to show for it. And now they're demoting their (arguably) best defenseman.
Thanks for making the Ducks look good, Sharks!
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40 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
I love Troy Terry, but I think the most "complete" forward on the team is the one who happens to have the most Stanley Cups. Killorn is a VERY good 2-way player who's been there and done it all. Terry's skills at both ends of the ice are top notch and are overall better than Killorn's, but Terry still doesn't really know what it takes to consistently win in this league. Killorn does. Winning takes more than just skill and smarts, and there is no player in the NHL who has been on the ice for more wins than Killorn over the past five seasons, and he's done it in just about every role a forward can. If there's one guy I want mentoring our 18-year-old #2 overall pick for each and every shift that he's one the ice, it's Killorn.
I don't considering "winning" part of being a complete player. A "complete player" to me is just offense and defense. I like the Killorn pickup and think he'll be a good addition, but I think Terry at this stage of his career brings things to both ends of the table that Killorn doesn't quite match, although we'll see when he gets on the ice. I need to see Killorn a few times in a Ducks jersey before I put him above Terry.
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5 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:
I’m not sure I’m good with it yet. Dropping an 18-year-old rookie (who is still new to North American ice) between Zegras and Terry on the top line doesn’t seem like the best idea to me. It’d be one thing if Z and TT were more complete players, but those guys are still figuring some things out for themselves too. I’d rather see Killorn and Carlsson together on a 3rd line, with the current top-6 left as is. I think that’d be a good mix of vets and youth for learning Cronin’s new systems, while also shielding Carlsson from some of the more challenging matchups until he gets some more experience.
It will be entertaining. That's all I'm looking for. I also think Terry is absolutely a complete player, probably the most complete forward on the team, and Carlsson's best asset is his hockey sense. I don't think it will he a problem. It might not work consistently, but I'm not worried about any long-term damage to Carlsson. And the potential is through the roof.
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1 minute ago, ike8228 said:
True. But why does money need to dictate who plays on what line? Henrique and especially Silfverberg are not as good as they once were. Why would a struggling player be required to play on the first line over a young and upcoming player just because he gets paid more. Killorn I get, but at the moment, line chemistry and production should be the focus. It could be the old folks line; retirement homes are expensive.
Agreed
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Just now, ike8228 said:
Out leading scorer on the third? LoL, I know I know it’s only two games. Strome Vatrano McTavish line has looked good. Maybe Killorn goes to the third to start, assuming the new 1st line clicks. Henrique TT and Z have been underwhelming so far.
Zegras-Carlsson-Terry
Vatrano-McTavish-Strome
Killorn-Henrique-Silfverberg
Jones-Groulx-Carrick
Leason/Johnston
Then we'd be putting our brand new $6.3 million man on third line! Line assignments don't matter much to me, as long as the fit and chemistry are good. I like Vatrano and think he can provide offense from anywhere in the lineup. I'd also be fine putting Killorn there and seeing how that worked. My initial thought was to have Carlsson centering a third line between Vatrano and Henrique, but Cronin is putting all his young, skilled eggs in one basket, which I'm good with.
It will be interesting to see if that Vatrano-McT-Strome line keeps producing. I imagine most teams will throw their heavy defenders at the Carlsson line.
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1 minute ago, ike8228 said:
Maybe this?
Zegras-Carlsson-Terry
Vatrano-McTavish-Killorn
Henrique-Strome-Silfverberg
Jones-Groulx-Carrick
Leason/Johnston
Doesn't look too bad to me
It could work, although I'd move things around a little bit. I like Henrique better as a center than Strome, especially in a 3rd line role. And Strome is a good distributor, which is why he works well alongside two shooters like McTavish and Vatrano, although Killorn could work there as well.
Zegras-Carlsson-Terry
Killorn-McTavish-Strome
Vatrano-Henrique-Silf/Leason
Jones-Groulx-Carrick/Leason/Johnston
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22 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
I'm curious to see how that top line looks in a real NHL game against a good team like Dallas. And it will be interesting to see what the lineup looks like when Killorn gets back.
Henrique has certainly been invisible to start the season. At least he can be a solid defensive presence on that third line.
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