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43 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
Rico (50% retained): NYR for a 1st in 2024
Lyubushkin + BOS 2nd round pick in 2024: COL for Sam Girard
Dark Horse: Vatrano to CAR for PHI 2nd rounder in 2024
So,
They move Henrique, Vatrano, and Lyubushin
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an additional 1st rounder this draft
an almost assuredly higher 2nd rounder this draft
and Sam Girard, to either keep or use in a trade package to get a Top 6 F this summer. COL is not in good shape with the cap next season, and the $5 mil they are spending on Girard is beyond redundant. They already have three better guys who play the same game - Makar, Toews, Byram. And COL does not have a 2nd or a 3rd this draft, with no additional picks in any round.
Imagine only getting a mid-later 2nd round pick for a guy who’s going to score over 30 goals and likely hit 60 points, and who’s signed cheap for next season. That’s a horrible return.
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2 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
From the forward group, the only guys I see that could be in the NHL are Sidorov, Perreault and Colangelo. Perreault has been inconsistent and injured while Colangelo can be a UFA if he wants in a couple of months. Sidorov is the most the fun and intriguing but still a long shot. Each guy has a different role but can't really bet on. They still need another legit impact forward in system even with Gauthier, imo.
I think Gaucher has the highest chance of being an NHLer from that list. Not the highest ceiling, but he has the floor to make it as a bottom 6 forward.
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35 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
I agree with all of this.
My only addition would be, is there a young RHD (younger than 24) that we could build a trade around? I'm thinking specifically of a guy like Jiricek in Columbus. Could you do something like Zegras + Noah Warren <---> Jiricek + Marchenko (add whatever draft picks to either side to make the value equal)? Or does that just not make any sense long term for either team?
(ps I don't want to trade Zegras. This is just a hypothetical)
This would be a pretty risky move for both sides. Jiricek hasn’t done anything at the NHL level yet, but could easily become the player CBJ expects, and then you throw in a young guy who’s about to hit 20 goals for the 2nd straight year. If Jiricek never becomes more than he is now all the sudden that could be bad if Zegras unlocks another level. He was playing better after coming back from injury and his all around game has improved a bit. If the rumors are true that Jiricek might want out then CBJ’s hands are a bit tied. I guess the trump card could be if Anaheim believes that much in Jiricek. If there’s one thing the Ducks know it’s defensemen.
I still think the most ideal trade in this hypothetical is getting back someone currently better than Zegras and more experienced, but not too much older. Old enough to inject some much needed experience into the core, and young enough to still be in his prime when everyone else enters theirs.
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I could get around the idea of trading Zegras, but it would have to be a very particular scenario. Essentially, maybe there’s some 24-27 year old proven winger or right defenseman out there that’s either requested a trade or isn’t going to sign an extension with the team, and said team is looking to recoup something for him. In this example we probably have to add something along with Zegras, but that could make sense. What doesn’t make sense is trading him for picks/prospects or spare parts. We’re already so young and about to get another top prospect in the draft; we don’t need even more 18 year olds that are likely going to take 3-4 years before they hopefully become impactful players.
Trading him for spare parts should be obvious on why that doesn’t make sense. That’s the kind of move cap-strapped Cup contending teams do when they have multiple holes on the roster with no hope of filling them, and even then you look at that trade and think odds are it’s going to be a bad one for the team giving up the best player. Regardless, the Ducks are nowhere near that point right now.
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36 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
He's an overplayed defenseman. Hype is hype. He always came across a humble and he never guaranteed anything. Also, the only reason he's a Duck is because Dallas picked Jack Campbell.
It’s actually because the Rangers chose Dylan McIlrath over Fowler. Stars were going goalie so once the Rangers passed Fowler up for a different defenseman he fell into our lap. That draft was forward heavy at the top; even at #12 Fowler was only the 3rd defenseman taken.
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Arte is a terrible owner and I can’t wait for the day he sells the team. It’s kind of funny; I’ve seen comments from people here saying how the Samueli’s are bad because they don’t seem to care and are hands off. I guess those people aren’t Angels/baseball fans because right across the street is a perfect example of the nightmare that comes from a hands on owner that makes sporting decisions based on whatever he feels like despite not having any actual qualifications to make those decisions. Then you go up the freeway (Dodgers) and see how great it can be when a bunch of ultra rich people form a group and buy a team, hire a front office, and then keep their nose out of things.
Cuban would be better than Arte (not hard to do) but from what I’ve seen he likes to be involved in sporting decisions. I’m not a big fan of that. I’d prefer something like the Dodgers have, or if it was going to be one main guy I’d like Joe Lacob (NBA’s Warriors majority owner). He was rumored to be interested last time Arte put the team up for sale.
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13 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
The question then is … with our top 6 (ish) pick do we go for the home run or a safe boring pick that projects (highly)as a solid nhl player ?
I don’t think that scenario would happen if we have a top 6 pick. I think that scenario only happens if we’re drafting more like 8 and there’s only Eiserman and a Russian or two left, and we won’t take a Russian for whatever reason. At 6 we wouldn’t have to settle for a safe/boring pick or take Eiserman. That’s as of now though, there’s still so much time left. Eiserman could have a nice finish to the season and dominate the u18 WJC and we’ll be begging for him to be available at our spot.
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4 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
We are going to need it along with another solid third liner imo even if all those guys get solid production. Henrique will be gone and Vatrano will be by next year’s TDL most likely. Hard to assume anything with this group so I’d rather load up on guys who have game changer potential
I think we’re going to need more impact but with experience in order to take the next step. That and getting solid production from the young guys are the two most important things in order to exit rebuilding. If the young guys already on the team (and Gauthier) don’t become solid producers then we’re screwed no matter what happens. If they do become solid producers, then we need to trade/sign guys Terry’s age or max late 20s with experience. We need that if we’re going to push for the playoffs more than another 18 year old.
Impactful wingers are the easiest players to acquire if you need to. That, combined with all the top 6 youngsters we already have, is why my #1 hope would be to draft Levshunov if we have the opportunity. RD is looking to be a potential issue on this team in a few years, and they are the hardest to acquire. It would be nice if the Ducks also believe in another RD because chances aren’t high Levshunov will be available at our pick.
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2 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Higher risk but higher reward given that we need scoring.
I don’t see the Ducks taking a LHD if they take a defenseman. Just saw that David Jiricek’s brother (Adam) is a 6’2 RHD that’s projected to go high in the draft.
If we still need top 6 scoring at this time next year then I think that’s a pretty big issue more than what this years draft pick will solve. McTavish, Gauthier, Carlsson, Zegras and Terry absolutely need to be carrying that weight successfully. I’ll give Gauthier a little bit of rope since he’ll be a rookie with not a lot of experience. Carlsson a bit too, but less than Gauthier because he’s got the most talent out of everyone and will have NHL experience too. McTavish and Zegras absolutely need to be putting up points next season; they’ve had enough time now.
Eiserman will have at least 1 season in NCAA, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 2. He’s only 17 right now. I wouldn’t be drafting him based on filling a need and risk/reward of him hitting. I’d only want the Ducks to draft him if they are confident in his game evolving/transitioning and so it’s not much of a risk at all in their eyes. There’s too many other forwards in the top 10 that are surer bets to contribute offensively in the NHL otherwise.
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28 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Yeah, Eiserman’s profile makes me want him more but lindstrom’s just seems like what Verbeek wants
Right now, I think Eiserman has the most red flags out of anybody in the top 10 (it’s between him or Parekh for me). He’s getting bad analytic grades, and scouts are frustrated with his game as well. I see so much bust potential in him at the moment, because he’s so one dimensional. If his game doesn’t evolve, then he essentially has one elite skill that you’re banking on playing in the NHL, and one that he can actually use often enough to become a 30+ goal scorer.
That said, I wouldn’t hate the pick even if he’s still viewed the same way in June. I feel that way with everyone in the top 10 though. There’s a few I like better than the others because they seems like surer bets to make an impact in the NHL, but I don’t see much separation after Celebrini for the forwards. I think there’s a little more separation for defense after Levshunov and Silayev, but I don’t think it’s top paring defenseman to bottom pairing defenseman huge.
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1 hour ago, Spencer_12 said:
Some interesting rankings differences between Pronman and Wheeler at The Athletic:
Eiserman:
Pronman dropped him from 3 to 9 (Wheeler dropped him from 2 to 3). Here’s what he had to say in November, and his new update:
Nov:
Eiserman may be the best pure goal scorer the U.S. NTDP has seen, and they just recently graduated Cole Caufield. Eiserman has great skill and finishing touch like Caufield, although maybe not as elite on both fronts, but he’s bigger and faster giving teams more assurances about how his game will translate to the NHL. Eiserman isn’t the best playmaker in the world, but he has game breaking qualities with his one-on-one play and shot when the puck is on his stick. He projects to be the type of player you build a power play around, someone who is among an NHL team’s leading scorers.
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Eiserman may be the best goal scorer the U.S. NTDP has seen, and they just recently graduated Cole Caufield. He isn't the best playmaker in the world, but he has game-breaking qualities with his one-on-one play and shot when the puck is on his stick. He sees the ice well enough and can make tough passes occasionally, although he absolutely prefers to shoot and tends to overshoot the puck. He's a strong skater who can create his own shot and doesn't shy from going to the net to score as well. His effort off the puck isn't the best and he can be a frustrating player to watch at times, but he's also a goal-per-game player in junior, so you ride the wave with Esierman. He has the potential to be a top-line winger.
Lindstrom:
Pronman had him at 10 in November, and he has him at 4 now (Wheeler’s lower on him - he had him at 13 and now he has him at 11).
Pronman Nov:
Lindstrom is an impressive all-around forward. Big centers who can skate and show offense will always get a lot of attention. Lindstrom has good skill and finishing ability and can create at a pro pace. He’s not the most instinctive player you’ll ever see, but his puck game is good enough to put up points in the NHL. I like that on top of his big frame he is very physical and competitive, and thrives generating chances in the high percentage areas. He has a highly translatable game to the NHL.
Pronman now:
Lindstrom's game has taken off this season; he's become a big part of why Medicine Hat's offense has been dominant. He's an elite athlete. He has the quick twitch feet of a smaller forward, and can get by opposing defenders. He's a big, powerful center with a ton of physicality in his game. Lindstrom has good offensive skills, and can score goals. His playmaking was something I questioned at times, but this season he's shown good instincts with the puck and the ability to create chances for himself and others. He has the potential to be a star No. 1 center if he hits.
Wheeler now:
Lindstrom is a big center (though his NHL Central Scouting listing dropped him from 6-foot-5 to 6-foot-3.25) and excellent skater who already uses his size to his advantage, whether through finishing his checks, shielding pucks, powering through contact or going to the net front to provide screens. He's also got decent overall skill and quick hands, both in flight and around the net and the wall. He can play off of the puck and take up space in front, play on the cycle and stay over pucks to help his team maintain possession inside the offensive zone, create in transition — putting defenders on their heels with a head of steam — and even make skill plays from a standstill inside the offensive zone. He's a strong, powerful skater who can pull away in open ice and win races. He's also strong in the faceoff circle. He looks like a projectable middle-six center, which at his height would make him a pretty rare player type in the league. He did have to undergo a minor hand operation, which sidelined him for the CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game, but he should be back before the end of the season. He's an easy player to like and one most scouts like a lot. The expectation at this point is that he'll be picked higher than where I have him here, and it's easy to see why, given his makeup, size and position.
Wheeler’s biggest drop was Helenius (from 5 to 10). He sums it up saying, “Every time I see him, he looks like a legit top-10 pick. I'm not sure he's a top-five guy in this class, though (which, for a time, I believed he was).”
I should have posted Wheeler’s updated thoughts on Eiserman as well (dropped from 2 to 3):
Wheeler now:
Eiserman is a shot creator who, against his peers, usually takes whatever he wants and seems to score at will.
I actually think he's a better skater than he has been given credit for in conversations I’ve had with folks about him, too, but it’s his puck skill, quick release, shot variety (he can rip it in motion, off catch and releases, standing still and from a one-timer, and he’ll make goalies guess wrong in alone because of how fast his hands are) and sneaky strength (when he uses it, which he has started to do more of) that allows him to create at will against his peers. He can frustrate, though, too, and scouts desperately want to see him round out his game. He can be a little careless and selfish with the puck. He can get carried away trying to do too much, stickhandling into trouble or shooting into shin pads. The play selection and habits definitely need some work, and have led to many understandably lowering him outside the top-three range I still have him in (though I am less sure about it than I thought I'd be). He doesn’t miss when he’s got an opportunity, though, and it's so, so hard to find goal scorers like him outside of the very top of the draft. The puck pops off of his stick so effortlessly and he produces that "he’s about to score here” feeling every time the puck comes to him in a good spot. It’s cliché, but you can’t teach that. He looks to me, with a little coaching, like he’s on a track to NHL stardom as a first-line winger and PP1 focal point.
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Some interesting rankings differences between Pronman and Wheeler at The Athletic:
Eiserman:
Pronman dropped him from 3 to 9 (Wheeler dropped him from 2 to 3). Here’s what he had to say in November, and his new update:
Nov:
Eiserman may be the best pure goal scorer the U.S. NTDP has seen, and they just recently graduated Cole Caufield. Eiserman has great skill and finishing touch like Caufield, although maybe not as elite on both fronts, but he’s bigger and faster giving teams more assurances about how his game will translate to the NHL. Eiserman isn’t the best playmaker in the world, but he has game breaking qualities with his one-on-one play and shot when the puck is on his stick. He projects to be the type of player you build a power play around, someone who is among an NHL team’s leading scorers.
Now:
Eiserman may be the best goal scorer the U.S. NTDP has seen, and they just recently graduated Cole Caufield. He isn't the best playmaker in the world, but he has game-breaking qualities with his one-on-one play and shot when the puck is on his stick. He sees the ice well enough and can make tough passes occasionally, although he absolutely prefers to shoot and tends to overshoot the puck. He's a strong skater who can create his own shot and doesn't shy from going to the net to score as well. His effort off the puck isn't the best and he can be a frustrating player to watch at times, but he's also a goal-per-game player in junior, so you ride the wave with Esierman. He has the potential to be a top-line winger.
Lindstrom:
Pronman had him at 10 in November, and he has him at 4 now (Wheeler’s lower on him - he had him at 13 and now he has him at 11).
Pronman Nov:
Lindstrom is an impressive all-around forward. Big centers who can skate and show offense will always get a lot of attention. Lindstrom has good skill and finishing ability and can create at a pro pace. He’s not the most instinctive player you’ll ever see, but his puck game is good enough to put up points in the NHL. I like that on top of his big frame he is very physical and competitive, and thrives generating chances in the high percentage areas. He has a highly translatable game to the NHL.
Pronman now:
Lindstrom's game has taken off this season; he's become a big part of why Medicine Hat's offense has been dominant. He's an elite athlete. He has the quick twitch feet of a smaller forward, and can get by opposing defenders. He's a big, powerful center with a ton of physicality in his game. Lindstrom has good offensive skills, and can score goals. His playmaking was something I questioned at times, but this season he's shown good instincts with the puck and the ability to create chances for himself and others. He has the potential to be a star No. 1 center if he hits.
Wheeler now:
Lindstrom is a big center (though his NHL Central Scouting listing dropped him from 6-foot-5 to 6-foot-3.25) and excellent skater who already uses his size to his advantage, whether through finishing his checks, shielding pucks, powering through contact or going to the net front to provide screens. He's also got decent overall skill and quick hands, both in flight and around the net and the wall. He can play off of the puck and take up space in front, play on the cycle and stay over pucks to help his team maintain possession inside the offensive zone, create in transition — putting defenders on their heels with a head of steam — and even make skill plays from a standstill inside the offensive zone. He's a strong, powerful skater who can pull away in open ice and win races. He's also strong in the faceoff circle. He looks like a projectable middle-six center, which at his height would make him a pretty rare player type in the league. He did have to undergo a minor hand operation, which sidelined him for the CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game, but he should be back before the end of the season. He's an easy player to like and one most scouts like a lot. The expectation at this point is that he'll be picked higher than where I have him here, and it's easy to see why, given his makeup, size and position.
Wheeler’s biggest drop was Helenius (from 5 to 10). He sums it up saying, “Every time I see him, he looks like a legit top-10 pick. I'm not sure he's a top-five guy in this class, though (which, for a time, I believed he was).”
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Lindholm and Henrique are basically equal on points, but Henrique is producing more goals. Lindholm just brought back a 1st rounder, though Calgary had to take a contract back (Kuzmenko for 1 additional year at 5.5 million - not a bad guy to take a flier on).
If this sets the market, then Verbeek should be able to get a 1st back for Henrique. Might have to take a contract back though. Hopefully if he doesn’t want to do that he could still get the 1st by retaining.
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2 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
If you’re talking about positional fit, I think he’s on Verbeek’s radar if we are drafting after 6th. Big, mobile, RHD is a player he could target. Don’t know much about his actual game though lol
He’s basically a bigger, more competent defensively version of Parekh, except less offensively gifted (still has plenty of skill though). He’s going to be the consensus #2 RD in the draft, and I could see him going earlier than after #6 if Levshunov is gone and a team believes in him as much as Pronman does.
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37 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
Corey Pronman's draft prospect midseason ranking out today at the Athletic.
1. Celebrini
2. Silayev
3. Yakemchuk
4. Lindstrom
5. Levshunov
I'm not as prospect savvy as a lot of you here, but is it safe to say the guy he has at #3 is a bit of a surprise?
A little bit. He had him at #6 in November so he’s higher on him than most.
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Laine hasn’t played more than 56 games in 4 years, has a $8.7 million cap hit and it’s only for 2 more years so even if he is good you might not have him for long, and when he’s played this year he’s been nowhere close to his best. I’m not trading our 1st for all that.
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As of today, I’m only confident on picks 1-3 if the Ducks were at that spot:
1. Celebrini
2. Levshunov or Lindstrom
3. Levshunov or Lindstrom
4 or later: Not sure, assuming both those guys are gone. You’re either looking at the 2 Russians, Eiserman who is falling, a small Finnish center (Helenius), or maybe Dickinson (basically the lefty version of Levshunov).
I don’t think they take the small Finnish center. The Russians are huge wildcards so I can’t say one way or another what the Ducks do with them. So if not one of them, it’s probably either Eiserman or Dickinson. I’ll throw out Adam Jiricek (RD with good size out of Czechia). He would be a bit of a reach at #4-6, but the Ducks have reached for a defenseman before with good results.
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Demidov was ranked #3 in the preseason at most places, and he’s lived up to that so far. If we slip out of the top 5 and he’s still available then I’d want the Ducks to take him if he’s willing to play for us. That said, I’m not really considering him at the moment because there’s too many unknowns with Russian prospects out of the KHL. There’s no sense getting excited about him if it turns out he’s not realistically an option for us even if he’s available at our pick.
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Pronman had Silayev at #2 in his November ranking. He could be an absolute beast if he hits his ceiling.
McKenzie’s mid season rankings pretty much mirror what I’ve been seeing out there lately. Maybe a slightly different order, but the names are pretty much all the same.
If the Ducks were to pick #2-5 right now Levshunov would be at the top of my wishlist. If the draft were tomorrow I think he goes no later than #3. He’s exactly the type of defenseman we need on the right side long term, and one we don’t have in the system. Right shot defensemen are the most valuable players out there and are hard to acquire. It’s not a pick of need though; Levshunov has a chance to be a #1 defenseman, but he’s got a high floor as well.
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4 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
He's listed as being 6"0 (180), an inch taller than Drysdale (5"11, 185 lbs). Watched some clips of him and my goodness is this guy shifty and creates space for scoring chances. I don't think he's a Verbeek player but I think he's on track to being a top-7 pick. With defense being more varied this draft I think he could be the 2nd defenseman taken, maybe even the first, if he keeps up his production. He turns 18 next month but put up video game numbers as a 17 year old.
I watched Saginaw’s game last night so I got to see him play. His offensive tools are definitely off the charts. Defense…yeah… the few things I’ve read about him showed up in that game. Some shifts it almost looked like he barely cared about defense, and positionally he seems more like a 4th forward on the PP defending when the PK looks to counter. Saginaw played really unstructured when Mintyukov was there so maybe if he was on a different team his defensive would look a little different. I wouldn’t be surprised if he fell out of the top 10 if that’s where he eventually gets ranked, and I also wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the top 10 if some team bets on him figuring the rest of the game out. First defenseman taken would shock me though.
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14 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
That would 6th though, right? San Jose, Chicago, us, Ottawa and Columbus. We are 6 points back of Columbus, and should be only four since we play the sharks tonight.
Columbus is currently in 5th at 37 points. We’re in 3rd at 31. Minnesota is in 6th at 43. So even if we catch Columbus we’re still in the top 5 until we catch Minnesota. I mentioned tied 5th with Minnesota since there would be a tiebreaker at that point, but yes one of us would be 6th. So I suppose if you wanted to be technical we have 11 points to spare before falling outside the top 5.
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6 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Until cutter Gauthier arrives and we draft outside of the top-5!
We’re currently 12 points from being tied 5th with Minnesota. If all our guys are back in 5 weeks that’s 13 games without them. The schedule isn’t too bad; 8 of those games are against teams with 45 points or less, though 5 of them are road games. If we can get that gap to at least 16 over the next 13 games then we’d have to pick up 16 or 17 points over the final 25 games to fall out of the top 5. That’s with the teams ahead of us not picking up any points to finish the season too, which obviously isn’t realistic. It would take some kind of finish to bridge that kind of gap.
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29 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Killorn out for 4-6 weeks and will undergo a knee procedure. So much for that durability. Ducks cursed him
That came out of nowhere. He’s been playing well lately too. Well, the positive side of this is he’ll be back around the same time Mintyukov and Zegras come back, and it will make it even more difficult to get points in the next 4-6 weeks. That should help us hopefully solidify our top 5 draft lottery spot, and then have a nice final push to end the season when everyone is back. That’s a win-win in my book.
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1 hour ago, dtsdlaw said:
It's always interesting to read the comments from all the knowledgeable fans on this board about the top prospects. You guys bring a lot of great info.
I just wish I wasn't reading them in January. It sure sucks that we're already looking ahead to our top-5 pick at the halfway mark of the season. Again.
I think it’s different this year compared to last year though. There’s been real progress with the talent level of the roster and the play on the ice, whether you look at the advanced stats or the eye test compared to last season. In that sense I find it more of a positive that we might be able to sneak one more top 5 pick into the rebuild before everything starts translating into more wins/points. There’s been some up and down play from the young guys, but I think the injury situation will be a key factor into whether or not we remain top 5. Especially how we do from now until Zegras and Mintyukov come back.
I’m not going to be surprised if the team has a decent finish to the regular season once Zegras and Mintyukov come back if there’s no more big injuries. That wouldn’t be a bad thing because it would mean the young guys would have strong finishes to the season.
As of now, there’s a 10 point gap to keep us in the top 5 going into the lottery, and a 13 point gap to keep us top 6. Perhaps we can have our cake and eat it too by having a big enough gap to remain top 5, and still remain there even with a good finish to the season. I think that would be ideal.
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Trade & Free Agent Targets
in Rumors, Wishes and Speculations
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https://www.tsn.ca/ottawa-senators-steve-staois-shuts-door-on-brady-tkachuk-trade-rumours-1.2082115?tsn-amp
GM already shot it down. Not sure why Ottawa would be trading their captain and one of their best players. He’d be a great player to have though.