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2 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
I see one scoring line, a couple incomplete lines, and one with a center who is not going to be happy with third line minutes. That's a long ways from 3 scoring lines and a 4th that can score. ? must be a really good player if they can play 2 spots on one line and can score. Marsh is not coming here either. Somebody will easily outbid the Ducks on him and he is also looking to win now. Johnston will not be in the AHL. He is Cronin's best friend and will be giving 82 games in the NHL. He may even be that top 6 winger. There is no guarantee at all that Verbeek will be successful in bringing in a top 6 winger, none. And the only way I see it getting done is in the trade route with Zegras or McTavish going the other way. This team has too many top centers and one of them is not going to be happy playing the third line. If they add Celebrini then that's another one. That is where I've been saying all along that the Ducks have the strength of centers and top 2 centers that they can make a trade using one for that top 6 RW. They could even use one to make a trade for a top 6 winger and top 4 rhd in the same deal. Strome could easily slide over to that 3rd line center or even Nathan Gaucher, and say Sidorov has a good camp and gets that 3rd line left or right wing. Or better yet, get Celebrini, move McTavish up and drop Killorn to that 3rd line on the wing.
Celebrini/Carlsson/Cutter
Zegras/McTavish/Terry
Killorn/Strome/Vatrano
? / Lundestrom/Colangelo
That's a better looking forward group (if the Ducks win the lottery) then hoping one of the top UFA's pick the Ducks over any other competitive team. I think what the Ducks do in FA and trades will depend alot on what happens with the lottery.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Verbeek: Guys we found that top 6 winger. He was in our system all along! The good news is he came cheap. In fact so cheap for a top 6 that we're practically stealing from the league itself! Johnston, why don't you come on over and tell these nice folks what you bring to the team?
Johnson: I can hit.... sometimes.
Verbeek: Awesome! I'm very excited!
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44 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
What's the point of owning a professional sports team if you want to be cheap? Vegas went for the jugular right off the bat. I'm sure Utah and Seattle will as well this off season. If Verbeek wants to slow roll it like Yzerman then he might have a revolt. The Red Wings barely missed the playoffs. Yzerman didn't do anything at the TDL. He can only live off his name for so long. Verbeek doesn't have that luxury. Does Stamkos make the team better? Yes. Bring him in or someone else as long that player is a legit top 6 forward.
Now that you mentioned it I think it makes more sense for Stamkos to end up in Detroit than the ducks. He's got the Yzerman connection and they're closer to the playoffs and contending than we are. I think if he doesn't sign in Tampa then he's going to end up in Detroit.
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5 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
If Stamkos comes at a reasonable price, then I would take him. Like the Selanne 1 year contract for $1mil to show he still has game. At 35 years old signing Stamkos to his final NHL contract at $8mil per season, no thanks, as I believe that once he is removed from Kucherov his numbers will drop significantly. Yes he put up 40 goals but with Kuch setting him up all the time that's one thing. Who do the Ducks have that is comparable to Kucherov? Nobody. So if you sign Stamkos to a 3 year $8mil contract and now he puts up 19 goals and 45 points, is it worth it? I see Stamkos resigning in Tampa for less then he currently makes and finishing his career with one franchise.
I dont have specific moves, but he needs to make moves that actually improve this team. He has talked about players being traded away because of their age and being older when the rebuild timeline is complete, so I don't know how signing a 35 year old player would fit anywhere near those plans. He needs to quit losing all his trades and quit making terrible coaching hires, and have the guts to fire someone when they don't perform. So far the moves that he has made are just bringing in warm bodies and doing nothing for the team. He needs to start making moves that make sense and make the team better.
We don't have a Kucherov but we do have Zegras and Leo. Both are really good passers.
As far as warm bodies, Gudas? Vatrano? Strome and Killorn aren't the greatest but they're decent. We also got a young elite prospect.
Regarding Stamkos, I agree. I don't want to overpay for an aging superstar. He may or may not live up to his contract but likely will see a significant points drop regardless. Aging and a rebuilding team with less talent.
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4 hours ago, Aksun said:
We don't need Stamkos alltogether, he might break a finger like Grumpy when he came over and miss half the season, he won't mind he already got paid. And Stamkos certainly has a long injury history and the refs do us no favors, just ask Terry.
The two things he can bring - an elite shot and proven leadership - well we can find a shot that is close enough in danger and accuracy and it's best to have a leader grow with the team like MacKinnon, name someone younger like Z or Leo, once the short 3-year deal is done Stamkos' leadership will be gone anyway just as we begin to compete seriously.
I'm not questioning his leadership. If he's injured or not he can still be a leader. My question is towards his elite shot and how long that will last. Stamkos is still a great player and I'd love to have him on our team. All I'm saying is if we're getting him primarily based on his shot then I wonder how long will it hold up? Generally when players of his ilk age their shot, speed and overall mobility decline. We could end up with a 7mil heavily declining Corey Perry clone in a couple years or a late 30s elite Teemu Selanne. Although to be fair that can happen to any player in their mid 30s.
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9 hours ago, ike8228 said:
By luck you mean league rigging lol I know I know it’s not rigged, but it sure as S seems like it sometimes.
Lucknis luck but statistics are statistics. It may be luck, but statistically speaking some have ‘more’ luck than others.
I just want to be in the right side of this luck for once.
*side note, was it just me or was the site down for like 15hrs?
Yeah the site was down for me.
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On 4/26/2024 at 1:03 PM, Sexlaf15 said:
The risk is those final 2 years. That’s when the RFAs are getting paid, I think they can manage fine, but it could get hairy when you’re paying
Strome 5 million for 1 year
Killorn 6.25 million for 1 year
And then add Marchessault/Stamkos around 5.5-8 million for 2 more years
could get tight pretty quickly
I think I like Marchessault and Stamkos just about the same. March has better underlying metrics, but Stamkos has that lethal shot the Ducks could absolutely use.
But how long is that shot going to last? I think in this scenario you gotta consider which of the two players game is going to age better. I like Stamkos but he's also had his share of injuries. I think IF we do end up going after Stamkos then a 3 year contract would be the best way to go. Going a bit higher AAV for a shorter term is easier to swallow than a longer contract for a little less, especially given our cap space isn't an issue yet.
But that list you posted is solid I think. If we get any one of those guys it would probably be a nice upgrade to the top 6.
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2 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
I think giving it to Zegras could springboard him to great things, and kind of set up the young guns group. And then give him vets as "A"'s to shepherd him.
Gudas or Fowler (both have two years left on their deals) - A
Killorn or Strome (both have three years left on their deal) - A
I feel like Terry needs to be able to mentally just get his game in order. And he can definitely be a quiet leader. I would also consider him for an "A".
Then in a couple of years you can look at guys like Zelly, Minty, McT, Leo, Gauthier to wear an "A". Or Celebrini............
Zegras feels a lot like Getzy when he was given the C. He was young and we had the veterans that could have been the captain. Saku Koivu was highly considered and he would have made a great captain! But in the end Getzy was given the C and you know what he ended up becoming a pretty good captain. I feel like Zegras is kind of in that similar situation. And I honestly think he has the potential to be alongside the best captains in team history. I watched a couple live streams of team practice and he was one of the last guys off the ice. He talks with the young guys and seems very approachable. He's improved his defense. He's my pick for captain the more I think about it and he's got all the qualities to hold the room and become a good leader. He also puts the blame on himself for plays in the past so he holds himself accountable. He wears his heart on his sleeve and hates losing. To me he becomes the obvious choice and honestly if we do somehow end up with Stamkos I think Zegras should still get the C. Worked for Getzy and I think it will work for Z.
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28 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
I did not count this past season. That was the previous two seasons, 2021-22 and 2022-23.
Ah OK. So they're pretty close in stats but the fact remains that both play for teams on the other end of the spectrum. We're a terrible rebuilding team and they're a cup contender. But I see what you're saying, we wouldn't trade Zegras for that kind of a return and although necas isn't on the level of Zegras it would be a pretty low return. At least I think that's the point I think you're trying to make. I think others have mentioned the return for Fiala and Debrincat as being comparable for someone like necas and I think that makes sense.
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16 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
I know thats why I took his point total over 82 games. The previous two seasons Zegras had 156GP 46G 80A 126P -45 and Necas 160GP 42G 69A 111P +10. There is not much difference stat wise between the two and each one if their teams likely holds them to similar value.
Yeah but that's the thing, Zegras was injured and played injured so of course his stats are going to be bad. Besides you just compared stats from a guy on a rebuilding team that's been bad to a guy on a playoff contender. Those are very different scenarios. But even with his down year Zegras has 15 more points in 4 less games.
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45 minutes ago, Aksun said:
In full!
Terry is going to ummmm.... you know... get excited.... about the fact some people on this board are about to go ballistic on him for not speaking confidently!!! Lol how can we employ such players? He needs to be traded asap! Send him away for a bag of pucks or something lol
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29 minutes ago, Aksun said:
Picking a captain is #1 priority this offseason, the team just looked discombobulated leadership-wise, nobody was pulling them like MacKinnon does (he's a freak at that) but yeah, we need a responsible leader yesterday.
Cronin was always going to get his 2nd year but now he's in the hot seat if they are hovering around 65 points again, they need to finally sniff the Wild Card, or else.
Who do we name the captain? Currently my vote would be for Zegras or Leo long term or someone like Gudas short term.
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43 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
That he was injured and missed over 50 games. Necas missed 5 games this year.
Not to mention Zegras had an injury nagging him to start the season and only after he went down with the ankle injury did his groin injury fully heal. Wasn't Zegras like a PPG to end the season? I think he comes back fully healthy next year and puts up near PPG numbers.
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21 minutes ago, g20topdogg said:
That's a good question. Idk I think realistically we'd need to figure out which teams are on the downward slope that are headed in the direction of a rebuild and try to poach one of their high end players for picks. Of course I wouldn't want older players. Teams that I think are headed for a rebuild are the pens, caps (in the not too distant future), flames, and maybe you throw in the blues and minny into the conversation of teams willing to do something like that. As far as players from those teams, I'm not too sure who would be avaliable I'd have to think about it but it would make sense to get players from teams that are going to be sellers.
Scratch that I don't know what I'm talking about 😂
After looking over some of those rosters and thinking about this a little more. The pens roster is too old. The wild are trying to get younger themselves and so are the flames. But I think if we got a Matt Boldy or Yegor Sharangovich for that pick I'd be down just don't think other teams would be. I think it makes more sense to use our own top 5 pick and trade other assets.
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3 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
Let's bat this scenario around:
The Ducks end up with the 5th OA.
What current NHL player would you - realistically speaking - want to or try to trade that pick for? Go!
That's a good question. Idk I think realistically we'd need to figure out which teams are on the downward slope that are headed in the direction of a rebuild and try to poach one of their high end players for picks. Of course I wouldn't want older players. Teams that I think are headed for a rebuild are the pens, caps (in the not too distant future), flames, and maybe you throw in the blues and minny into the conversation of teams willing to do something like that. As far as players from those teams, I'm not too sure who would be avaliable I'd have to think about it but it would make sense to get players from teams that are going to be sellers.
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5 hours ago, Apollo91 said:
Give the man the C. The kid is the heart of this team. Players love him and look up to him, and Z drives our offense most nights. I dont want some temp captain, or someone like Terry who's super quiet. Cronin and management need to get over their hate boner for this kid (maybe not hate, but it definitely feels like they tolerate him).
Zegras is really growing on me for captain. And maybe the team is trying to push him in that direction by being one of the few to be benched. If that's the case then I don't see how we can trade him if Verbeek and Cronin want him to be the captain.
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12 hours ago, Duwamish3 said:
I agree. A year ago I would have said that that would have been a horrible choice and I was very much anti Z. I saw something different since he came back and he might fit that role well. Love the Gudas choice also and maybe the extra responsibility on him would work better than adding more to Z - although Z would probably relish it.
In any case I agree a leader is needed at the players level. And definitely not TT. I know the argument that there's always a group that leads anyways and the "C" just isn't needed anymore but I can't get on board with that.
I thought before the season that Fowler and Terry were the front runners for the C. Yeah that ship has sailed I think. Zegras for sure has risen his stock to be captain. Leo as well. McT for me currently is a no. He's way too undisciplined. I wouldn't mind Gudas in that role either. But if we do somehow get Stamkos he's likely to be the captain in the interim.
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14 minutes ago, Belarus said:
If it gets you a so-called "generational" player like Bedard, there's plenty of incentive to tank. There's not much tanking incentive to move from, let's say, 5th overall pick to 4th overall pick.
Besides, why would players even want to lose a year of their career to get the 1OA? What would Silf get out of it by losing a year (or two, or three) and we got Leo or possibly Celebrini? He's moving on from the NHL, he wants to play meaningful hockey not get Celebrini.
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10 minutes ago, Belarus said:
If it gets you a so-called "generational" player like Bedard, there's plenty of incentive to tank. There's not much tanking incentive to move from, let's say, 5th overall pick to 4th overall pick.
For the gm maybe. But why would players purposefully score less? They'll get paid less when contracts are up. What about guys going ufa? What about a coach who might get fired? So I don't believe we intentionally tanked. If you want to say Verbeek purposefully used the personnel on hand to be worse, fine by me. But don't tell me the team as a whole tanked to get Leo or even Bedard himself.
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11 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
Just for fun, since becoming a Pat Verbeek ran team, the Ducks have an overall record of 57-119-22, a stellar .343 win% in 198 games. The last few years with Murray, going back to 2018-19, the Ducks were 88-104-30, .464 win% in 222 games. Not whole lot better, but further ahead then where they are now, going back to the team has just been getting worse and worse with Verbeek in charge. Hopefully the tide will turn here shortly.
Yeah but we were stagnating under Bob, Verbeek just ripped the band aid off. Now we're hopefully going to start to trend up because it can't get much worse than this, right?
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13 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
Hey, I was the one on here last year saying he was tanking on purpose and continusly got the "no he's not", "where is your proof", "why would any GM do such a thing" from the upbeat positive crowd of posters. It was clear to me before the season even started what he was trying to do, but boy, did I get shot down when I suggested that last season.
Just as you say, you have no proof either that he did ask for more in these trades or didn't jump on the first offers. Maybe he did ask for more. Maybe he took what he learned as an assistant and tried to bargain, or maybe he was a rookie GM and verteran GMs took advantage of him and lowballed him and he accepted. You never know. I don't know if that was the case just like you dont know if he asked for more. Did he ask Lindholm to resign, who knows. He had only a few weeks when he came onboard to make the decision to trade him or not. Or did he just see what guys were on expiring contracts set to become UFAs and went, I need to trade them all and get what I can. Who knows. Not you, not me.
Yup, when the Ducks are older and better wins and losses will matter. Chances or neither GM or coach will be around at that time.
I still disagree he was tanking on purpose. He gutted the team the last few years but I don't think anyone expected us to be as bad as we were. We've gone over this already. Players and coaches have zero incentive to tank. Zero. That's like Zegras tanking then complaining about the contract he got that it wasn't enough. Makes absolutely zero sense.
As far as Lindholm if I remember correctly it was the term being offered that supposedly Lindholm turned down. I think the max Verbeek was willing to give was 5 years. Now don't quote me on that! But let's be real here, Lindholm is good right now but the last years of his contract are probably going to make him overpaid. He didn't match our rebuild timeline and while I do think it was sort of a bad trade it makes a lot of sense in hindsight. I don't think we've expected to be this terrible for this long but surely we would have been better with Lindholm than without him. I think it dug us deeper into the pit then we realized it would. We're actually still struggling because of the repercussions of that trade.
In my opinion Verbeek hasn't done enough in the trades. The only one that's looking very good is the Drysdale for Cutter one. And even then it didn't make a whole lot of sense why we had to add an extra 2nd. But it's likely the price we had to pay to beat out other teams. So far it looks promising. One thing I hope to see is Verbeek's willingness to use our picks that we've acquired because the Cutter trade is really the first one he used one of them to our advantage. I personally would like to see them traded. I'm getting tired of waiting on borderline nhlers or guys that may never play (insert Liquor talking about the darts on the board.... boooorrring.) We need to make moves up the board not hoard 2nd and 3rd round picks (again darts and whatever).
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1 hour ago, Duwamish3 said:
Actually only 5 teams have had head coaches of 4+ years. Can't read my own scribbles!
Gone are the days of long tenure head coaches. It's all about results and on one hand it makes sense but on the other there is no longer any stability. But it could also be due to the old guard leaving and being replaced with younger guys that are able to understand the younger players.
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1 hour ago, Jasoaks said:
as much as I would love to think that Torts knew the wings got the extra point thus the Flyers were eliminated....so....in retaliation pulled the goalie ANYWAY to basically eliminate the wings....im sure he had no idea what the score was and kept playing as if the Wings had lost in regulation lol
I think I saw a video of his post game comments and he said he found out about the wings right after the empty net goal was scored.
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1 hour ago, Spencer_12 said:
He has 20 goals on the season.
It's sad that we only have 8 players with 10+ goals. And unless Killorn scores a couple and McT comes back to play the last game and scores then Terry and Vatrano are the only guys with 20+ this season. Yikes!
Verbeek = Worst GM in Ducks History
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It's not serious until Verbeek gets serious! Lol but that line you wrote had me literally laughing out loud. Johnston shouldn't even be on this team and playing him on anything more than a 13th forward is ridiculous. He should play ~40 games max.