HockeyIzCool
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With everyone saying how Carlsson may not make the team this season, I'm beginning to realize it's a strong possibility that he won't.
I still say it will be a major embarrassment if Bedard & Fantilli are both on the NHL rosters, and our #2 pick is not. Prior to the draft, everyone was saying how the top 3 picks were all NHL ready, but perhaps we ended up with the one who isn't?
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Just now, g20topdogg said:
I thought the rumor was that the jackets wanted to move up to get Carlsson? We didn't want to do that because we apparently wanted Carlsson ourselves.
Really? I thought that everyone had Fantilli going 2nd. That's interesting if Columbus was also planning on picking him had they gotten the 2nd pick.
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Do you realize that if Drysdale had been able to play in the last couple of games, he might have helped the Ducks win those games, and then they would have ended up in the 3rd slot.
Of course, it wouldn't have mattered, because they still would have ended up with Carlsson, and Chicago would have only had to leap over 1 team instead of 2.
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20 hours ago, Shadowduck said:
If Zegras won't sign more than 3 years he should shut up and sign for 3.5 million. Why would the Ducks give him 7M if he plans to jump ship in three years?
He can't just "jump ship" in 3 years. He'll still be Restricted until he turns 27.
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1 hour ago, saskduckfan said:
Exactly. The comment was they are going to see where the best place is for him and they weren't going to rush him into the NHL. Reading between the lines, that doesn't sound like the plan is to keep him in the NHL this year, which is disappointing. Hopefully he impresses so much at camp that they keep him around long term. At least watching him will give us something to look forward to. I'd rather watch Carlsson learn in the NHL then the Ducks offer a spot to Kassian.
I seem to recall everybody saying that the first 3 picks were all expected to be NHL ready right off the bat. That although Bedard was the clear #1, both #2 & #3 would normally both be #1 picks in any other year, and that they would likely not need to be sent down.
I guess as a Ducks fan, I'm used to embarrassment, but it's really going to stink if Bedard & Fantilli are both on the NHL rosters, and Carlsson plays the season in San Diego.
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Not to be gloomy, but by my count, that's 4 former Mighty Ducks/Ducks players that have died at a young age. Ruslan Salei, Todd Ewen, Ray Emery and now Nic. Are there any others I'm forgetting?
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2 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
Neither of these contracts are happening anytime soon with lame duck Verbeek in charge. Both signings will be announced Nov 30 when Verbeek is pressured to get something done. By then the Ducks will have one win and the season will be lost.
OK, that's a bit dramatic. Not to mention, having Zegras last season, didn't much help in keeping us from the worst record in the league, so I doubt in a few months time, his play has improved that dramatically enough it will make a huge difference in where we finish in the standings.
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43 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Killorn isn't a superstar either yet his AAV is $6.25M. He's never had concurrent 60+ point seasons either. He's also 12 years older. So why do you think Zegras deserves less?
How much money does a 22 year old Zegras need? Wow.
Cole Caufield - $62.8M contract
Mathew Boldy - $49M contract
Tim Stuzle - $66.8M contract
Jack Hughes - $64M contract
Dylan Cozens - $49.7M contract
The Ducks alleged offer on a 3yr bridge: $9-$12M. So pay him less in three than those guys will make in two?
Even at three years he makes less than any of them with a $6M AAV. So why do they need so much money?
I said the $3-$4M is far too low. And he'll make less per year than those guys because it's a 3 year deal, while those contracts are longer.
Has Zegras proven himself to the point of deserving a $25M contract that he'll earn before he turns 25?
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1 minute ago, MooseDuck said:
Well Since Its Day2 of Ducks Training Camp with no Z-man or Drysdale.......I will do the honors for your HockeyzCool and others...*Turns HourGlass*.
DuckPride 4ever
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So the hourglass was counting down to the start of Training Camp, and now you're turning it to count down to the start of the season.
I guess if you have to turn it again, it will count down to the December deadline, after which they are not eligible to play this season.
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6 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said:
First, no team is going to offer him $8.5 for one year or even two. If he gets that offer, it's going to be AT LEAST four years, and probably five or more. I think the Ducks would be much more likely to go that high if the deal isn't a bridge.
A 5 year deal is the worst possible outcome, and a 4 year deal is a close 2nd. He'll be UFA after 5 years, so at the end of it, you're potentially screwed. I don't know, it's a tough call. Given that the Ducks are likely to miss the playoffs for at least the next 1-2 seasons, they're really overpaying him until he can help contribute in a meaningful way, beyond reaching 80-90 points and missing the playoffs.
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I'm not high on paying Zegras an enormous amount, especially if it's a short term bridge contract. But even I know that $3-$4 Million is pretty much a non-starter.
Seems to me that he's worth $5.5 at a Minimum. I would be completely comfortable with something in the $6M area, give or take $0.5M. Above $7M on a bridge deal, is a "bridge" too far IMO. How much money does a 22 year old Zegras need? He's not a superstar at this stage of his career, and he needs work on his 2-way skills. $6M over 3 seasons, gives him $18M in the bank before he reaches age 25. If he proves himself during that time, a 6 year $50-$60 Million deal is a realistic possibility, assuming he's not p&*sed at the Ducks by then.
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4 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said:
The Ducks would match anything up to $8.5 million, and anything above that, they'll probably take the 2 firsts, a second, and a third and be happy with it.
As I've said for a while, I'd be thrilled if Zegras signed an offersheet because it would be doing the Ducks' work for them.
So supposedly the Ducks are not willing to pay ANYWHERE near $8.5 Million, but they would if another team gave him that offer? That makes no sense. I realize they're just rumors, but if word is going around that the Ducks are offering less than 1/2 that, why would they even consider matching if someone offered him $8.5M? Wouldn't they at least be in the same ballpark at this point?
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20 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
He will not come in at 5.5-6 on a bridge. Verbeek just signed Killorn to 4 years and $6.25 per. Zegras is better then Killorn and that would be a comparable length of contract. Zegras should get more then 6.25 mil.
So if the Ducks were negotiating from a starting point of $5.75, do you think Zegras would take that as an insult? I just don't see him at higher than $7M on a bridge deal, given his performance thus far. Anything higher should be reserved for a longer term deal, where he's committed to the Ducks until his late 20's.
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1 hour ago, g20topdogg said:
Yeah but don't forget both Kane and Toews came off multiple cups with the hawks. It's why they were paid. Zegras is in a much different position. Zegras is also coming into a team that's been terrible highlighted by terrible coaching. I agree Zegras should be paid. But it's he worth more than 8.5 right now? I'm leaning into the bridge contract camp now. I think his contract, if term is 3 years, is going to end up around 5.5-6 mil per. I think that's fair value for his near term production and Verbeek keeps the contract less than Terry. I'm wondering though, will McT also go the bridge route or cash in? To me he seems like the kind of guy who's going to sign that 8 year contract. Idk why it just seems that way.
How does Zegras 3 years at 5.75M average & Drysdale 2 years at 2.75M average sound? That gets both of them for 8.5M average. Maybe go a little higher if necessary, but get both of them in for roughly 9M total.
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1 hour ago, saskduckfan said:
And if he doesnt believe wingers get paid $9mil, Patrick Knae was a winger and got $10mil.
Are you seriously comparing 34 year old All Star Kane with 22 year old Zegras?
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Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
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10 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:
No chance that number is accurate. If so, that’s a joke and ownership needs to step in and fire Verbeek tomorrow.
He'll need to abuse alcohol for a few years before it would come to that.
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1 hour ago, saskduckfan said:
It's so easy. Drysdale should get $3mil on 2 years just to showcase himself and Zegras 8.5-9mil. He is our best player. But Verbeek thinks otherwise.
Well, that's a pretty low bar, and I'm not sure I'm ready to conclude that he's better at this stage in his career than Terry.
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37 minutes ago, MooseDuck said:
Troy Terry is future Captain of the Ducks...Just saying.
DuckPride 4ever
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That does seem likely at this point.
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8 hours ago, g20topdogg said:
What do you mean? We signed the biggest contracts in FA. If anything we did the MOST out of any team in FA. The unfortunate timing of it all is this FA class wasn't the greatest. Oh well, you can't time everything I guess.
Yeah, you're right. It was just a pretty weak year for FA's. I guess our acquisitions seemed to pale in comparison to the FA's we gave up the year before.
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The last thing the Ducks need to start a season where they where they were supposed to improve, and coming off a season where they had the worst record in the league, is for their projected superstar and projected future #1 defenseman, nowhere to be seen.
It is what it is. No Drysdale is a wash, since he didn't play last season, but adding Carlsson while subtracting Zegras, is 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
As per usual, they had a ho-hum off season, not really doing anything spectacular in the FA market. They got rid of a bad coach, and brought in an unproven one, but even he can't be expected to turn dog poop into filet mignon.
Well, we're 3 weeks away from the start of the season, and the clock is ticking. And finishing last this season, won't even get us the opportunity of being screwed out of a generational #1 pick, which we never really had a shot at to begin with. I know, conspiracy talk, but let's face it, that's what you get when #3 Market A team, leaps over #1 & #2 Market C teams.
I honestly have come to accept the reality that the Ducks will never again hoist the Cup, let alone contend for it in the Finals, but I would like to see some quality hockey at some point, and perhaps attend a Playoff game this decade. Hope that's not asking for too much, although I am saving money, and can feel free to make April, May & June vacation plans in January, if I so desire.
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On 9/9/2023 at 7:42 AM, FanSince1993 said:
Current situation reminds me of Paul Kariya holdout in 1997. Mighty Ducks did not sign him till Christmas, sighting "we have to be fiscally reasonable". then Kariya signed for $14 mil to complete 1997/1998 season and 1998/1999 season. 3 seasons later Kariya took a huge pay cut to play for Colorado.
Verbeek, is that what you want to do? Let me ask you, you spent $5 mil on Strome, $6.25 mil on 34 y/o Killorn, $2.75 on McGinn - these are players who are not going to make this team better, and it's a total of $14 mil of salary cap space. I don't really care about Drysdale that much, but I do care about Zegras, one of the few bright players on this organization. Get him signed, dude!
PK knew exactly what he was doing. He was a douche, and despite the fact Anaheim retired his #, and he's buddy buddy with Teemu, who likely also was in on the scam, I'll never again have respect for the guy. I know most have moved on, and forgiven and forgotten, and the fact I think he's a jerk for putting the Mighty Ducks through what he did at the time, means nothing to him. But I'm still glad he never got his name on the Cup, and especially that the CO team he screwed the Ducks over to go play with, got bounced from the Playoffs in an early round that season. Even the League looked the other way, at the Avs' scheme to subvert the CBA at the time.
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14 hours ago, FanSince1993 said:
NHL website published top 30 goalie rankings. For the most part of it, it makes sense to me. Also, it makes sense that our legend is not even on this list.
Fantasy hockey top 25 goalie rankings (nhl.com)
Oh, but the guy we discarded in order to keep Gibson, Freddie Andersen, is #14.
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Still hopeful they'll get them done, but less than a month from training camp, with Zegras & Drysdale both unsigned.
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So Zegras & Drysdale both have contracts that expire in 3 years, and we get to go through this all over again, perhaps with arbitration involved the next time.