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19 hours ago, Apollo91 said:
Yay! Now lets find some really forward thinking minds to help push this team into the future. But seriously, this had to be done, and I really hope PV, Scott N, and Cronin, all do their homework and find some really top tier assistants. Who knows how much better we might be with simply better voices around Cronin and the team.
Excited to see this team continue to make changes this offseason!
We all know we are going to hire some unknown coaches as assistants.
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1 hour ago, perry_mvp said:
Edmonton is still a two line team. The only thing they have going for them is the PP and Edmonton was 2/4 last night. Vancouver has also sustained pressure at time and could be up 3-0 now. Edmonton's problem isn't really goaltending, it's a lack of production from the bottom 6. Seems like those guys just go out there to give McDavid and Draisaitl a rest.
Lack of depth and goaltending is their issue. Skinner has let in some pretty bad goals this series and has a 3.22 GAA and .877 SV% in the playoffs. Defense and goaltending win championships and these numbers are nowhere near good enough to win. Against Vancouver he is sporting a .789 SV%.
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43 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:
Yeah Kane is a dumba**
but regardless, the little slash (which it was, that thing was hardly even felt by the Canucks player) does not warrant a cross check to the face. I don’t think the cross check to the face was intentional, he was trying to just push mcdavid when mcdavid feel from a sudden cross check from the back…but still, that’s like trying to justify breaking someone’s neck ‘cause they threw a water balloon at your shoes.But if you watch the video, Soucy was already starting the motion of the cross check shove to his chest as Zadarov lays him out from behind. The intent to hit him in the face was not there. There should be zero suspension for an accidental play. Mcdavid purposely high sticked Hughes drawing blood. No penalty, no fine, no suspension. Or Hoglander getting speared in the nuts, no fine, or the slew foot on Hughes into the boards, no suspension. Those were all plays that were done on purpose and nothing came out of them. Even Bennett on Marchand was an intent with no suspension. Not sure how the league can suspend a freak accident other then it is Mcdavid who does even more crying then Crosby to get his way. Pieterangelo's slash on Draisaitl last year was just as hard, on the elbow pad of Draisaitl that he doesn't feel and the Oiler media whined until he was suspended. That slash and this slash were of equal force. Of course one was to an Oilers player which caused an outrage and one was by an Oilers player which we are all supposed to turn a blind eye to.
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9 hours ago, Fisix said:
Huh, good on nucks.
will zidorov and soucey get some supplemental discipline? That double hit on McD looked horrible.
Why? Will McDavid get supplemental discipline for that two handed chop after the whistle that started the whole scrum? Doubtful. So there should be nothing handed out. Love how McDavid starts it with his two handed chop, then gets up and goes to cry to the ref about it after. Poor baby. He started the whole thing. If he can't take the punishment, then dont start it. What did his teammate say last year? **** around and find out. That's what happened to poor McMuffin.
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1 minute ago, tommer-1 said:
Where is the other guy playing? Top 6 RW? Bottom 6 upgrade at RW? Bottom 6 upgrade at LW?
As mentioned earlier, they are traded for that top 6 RW that is needed.
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24 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Then there shouldn't be any talk about trading Marner. Yet here it is.
I'm not sure there is any talk about trading him from the actual team, but yet the Toronto media is trying to find someone to blame yet again and that is who they have decided on. Tavares is their biggest no show and his contract would have been beneficial to spend on a true #1 goalie and defenseman and then that team would actually do something.
We are talking about the Ducks acquiring a top 6 RW and I tossed out a scenario where the Ducks would be making a hockey trade based on strengths that they have with current players instead of trading for a reclamation project who has only been playing 3rd line minutes.
Doesn't matter anyways. These are all hypothetical ideas. Neither Marner or Laine will be in a Ducks sweater anyways next year.
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50 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Perry didn’t really disappear but as he got older, he didn’t put up numbers reflective of his cap hit in both the regular season and postseason. I don’t think that was loss on fans but When you have a Stanley cup to your name plus being one of the best players in franchise history you can avoid scrutiny that others can’t. Compare that to Marner who has the 9th highest cap hit in the league and hasn’t gotten past the 2nd round or even won a game in the 2nd round.
Him not getting past the 2nd round has more to do with the Leafs issues as a team then it does the player. Leafs have awful goaltending and defense as they have too much money tied up into their big 4 and that was due to having to sign John Tavares. Dump Tavares and spend the money where it is needed and that team gets better.
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In fact, Marner had more points then Tavares did in the playoffs and has a better career playoff PPG then Tavares, but you don't hear the Toronto media saying Tavares didn't show up. Marner also has a slightly better PPG then Auston Matthews (.872) in the playoffs and Mathews who scored 69 goals in the regular season only scored once in the playoffs. Again, where is the Matthews didn't show up. Marner is just the scape goat. Toronto didn't screw up Marner's contract, they screwed up by signing Tavares.
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4 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
IMO, trading either McTavish or Zegras is a negative. Yes, Marner has put up more points than Laine. Yes he's been healthy as well. Those are undeniable facts. What Marner doesn't have is size though. He also disappears in the playoffs.
Columbus has $23.45M in cap space with 7 RFA's to sign including Marchenko and Chinahkov. Laine is just dead weight.
Corey Perry disappeared in the playoffs for the majority of his career with the Ducks but nobody complained about that.
If Laine is considered dead weight, then why would we want to add more dead weight to the Ducks roster.
Marner disappears in the playoffs? Where did you get that from? The Toronto media?
1G 2A 3P in 7 games this year. Career playoffs 11G 39A 50P in 57GP for a .877 PPG pace in the playoffs. In comparison Corey Perry was a .75PPG player with his time in Anaheim,
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15 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Absolute no on Marner. He's an overpaid playmaker. There doesn't have to be an odd man out. Are you suggesting that Anaheim re-ups Vatrano? I don't how you could be negative about Laine's $8.7M but be so positive about Marner's $10.9M. And he will get more and that will handcuff Anaheim. If you don't think the owners would pay $8.7M for Laine what makes you think they would pay $11M+ on Marner's next contract... if he stays?
Lundestrom has a $1.8M QO. He doesn't score and I think you could find a more cost effective solution for a 4th line center.
Sure he could find a more cost effective solution, but better solution that is cost effective might be an issue. Last 3 seasons Marner has played 69, 80, 72 games with 85, 99, and 97 points with 26, 30, and 35 goals. Laine has played 18, 55, and 56 games with, 9, 52, and 56 points, and 6, 22, and 26 goals. I dont know how you call Marner an overpaid playmaker and Laine a goal scorer when Marner has scored more goals in each of the last three seasons. Marner has also played 96 more games in his career and put up 251 more points. My problem with Laine is the salary and injury history. Now the history of stepping away from the game because he isnt into it and his horrible defensive play. Laine you are hoping he gets back to form and paying him close to $9mil per season for three years to do it, where what is likely is he just keeps getting injured and never returns to the 40 goals. $9mil is a lot of money for a 20G, 50P player.
Marner has also topped 60 points every season of his career vs Laine who has done it 3 times. Marner is also a +110 vs Laine -58 for their careers.
As for money, if it is a package involving Gibson and McTavish, then the Ducks dump one big contract in Gibson and lose what will be another big contract when they have to resign McTavish, so the dollars would still work out.
Columbus has no reason to sell Laine while his value is low. They have the cap space. They can see if he bounces back too and then trade him for more. A late 1st that could very well be 3 picks before our 2nd and a B prospect is not going to get them to move the needle. Trading a Zegras or McTavish for Laine is giving up too much. Use one of them as a strength and aim for a bigger name RW. Maybe not Marner as Toronto has no need for another center. But that was just an example. Use an asset that somebody would have interest in and think big. Make a hockey trade that would benefit both teams, like Gauthier/Drysdale.
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10 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:
My last post in this thread about this , Laine’s demise has been greatly overstated. The concern for Laine is health. His “down year”this year, he was still on pace for 27 goals. Which would have been second on this team this year, first last year and second the year before that. He’s basically been a 30-35 goal scorer with 40+ potential/peak.
If we get him for a late first rounder and a maybe prospect or two. He comes here, plays 60-70 games a year and scores 30 goals. That’s a whole lot better than anything we have. He’s not that bad defensively. He’s right shot and he’s young. If Columbus wants to move him. I’m all over that. He’s probably a bit overpaid now, but it’s a win win, you sign him for cheaper long term or you get a 10 million dollar player playing lights out and scoring 40 goals.
You should read some articles about Laine's defensive effort, or more so lack there of.
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2 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
The top 6 RW is an issue. Probably nothing in free agency and nothing in a trade. If Killorn can pot 20 goals on the top line, that's acceptable. I don't see the need to bring Lundestrom back. He doesn't score.
That is why Lundestrom is the 4th line center. He can win faceoffs and can play defense in limited minutes. McTavish/Zegras are in the same spot on the second line as I have it as pick one or the other, and the odd man out is used in a hockey trade for that top 6 RW. Imagine if you use someone like McTavish in a package with Gibson and get back a Marner in return. Then slot in:
Gauthier - Carlsson - Terry
Vatrano - Zegras - Marner
Killorn - Strome - ?
That would be your top 9.
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3 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
TOI isn't set in stone though. Adjust your lines if something isn't working. When the Ducks are taking penalties, some guys are not even on the PK like Zegras.
Or does a lineup that looks like this just work out better:
Gauthier - Carlsson - Terry/Top 6 RW
Vatrano - McTavish/Zegras - Terry/Top 6 RW
Killorn - Strome - Bottom 6 upgrade
Bottom 6 upgrade - Lundestrom - Leason
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26 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
That to me is managing time on ice TOI. You could have three scoring lines with those three centering lines:
Gauthier-Carlsson-(maybe Killorn)
Vatrano-McTavish-(maybe Strome)
(UFA)-Zegras-Terry
Is it perfect, nope. Is it pretty, nope. Could you get scoring out them? I believe so. Maybe try this for next season.
If it doesn't work you can still revert to this:
Gauthier-Carlsson-Killorn
Zegras-McTavish-Terry
Vatrano-Strome-?
Maybe in free agency pick up Roslovic, Drouin, Wennberg or any other number of bottom 6 players that you could slot in and move up and down where needed.
But the problem is there are only so many minutes to go around. You want your top two lines out more then the bottom two. So who ever centers that third line is going to end up getting less minutes. Do you think Zegras will be happy with less minutes? Cronin might be happy giving him less. What about McTavish? These are guys that want to play the big minutes and if they are only going to get less ice time, then when the time comes they will look for somewhere else that will give them more.
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1 hour ago, perry_mvp said:
Sure, there are a lot of "what ifs" but the alternative is trying to find a mid-30's RW? I'm not saying Laine is the perfect solution, just saying he's another option if available and putting forth that he could fit in. I don't think there will be trades for Necas or Holtz. I don't think Verbeek signs Marchessault or Toffoli. I don't think there will be a draft day surprise from Anaheim. Verbeek is going to have to find someone decent enough to fit in with the top 6 while not being a top 6 player. There are a few in free agency and maybe in a trade.
Exactly. And as much as Verbeek said he wants a top 6 RW and top 4 RHD and to make the bottom 6 better, I still stand by the only thing we will see is the changes to the bottom 6. I dont see any of the big free agents choosing Anaheim and I don't see Verbeek willing to give up the assets needed in a trade for a top 6 right wing who would fit this team. Also, those top 6 wingers who are at the correct age are not necessarily available from their current team either. I'm not sure how many teams, if any there are willing to move one of their 24 or 25 year old top 6 wingers for prospects and picks. I just don't see a trade for anyone being something that can be worked out unless Verbeek was giving up something decent in return. For example to get Gauthier we had to give up Drysdale. So to bring in a top 6 rw, we will have to give up one of our top players and make a hockey trade. I can't see the Ducks sticking Carlsson, Zegras, or McTavish as a third line center and the player being happy about that.
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7 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Zegras has two years to show he's a $7M player. Dostal's first SPC is next off season and if Gibson is still here Dostal isn't getting a $5M contract. Zell is getting $4M in his first SPC? Come on, Drysdale got $2.3M on his. Minty is getting paid $5M on his first SPC? McTavish is more likely to $4.5M. Carlsson isn't going to get any more than Zegras is right now and that's if he even gets 60+ points the next two seasons. Gauthier is a 10,2c so he's in the same boat as Drysdale. No power to do anything and as we have seen, Verbeek and Solomon will play hardball. Laine only gets a raise if he's spectacular. No team out there is going throw big money at him if he's not.
Those salaries all depend on how the player performs. Lets just say Zellwegger wins the Norris trophy in the final year of his contract, you only see him resigning for $2.3 mil over 2 years. No chance. Drysdale got what he got because he played one season and missed basically a full season with injury. If Minty and Zell stay healthy and are key pieces on the blueline and offense, they will command more the $2mil a season. Same with Gauthier. He has two years to put up numbers and if he does he isnt signing for $3mil per season. He would just walk if that was the case or request a trade as he has already shown he is willing to do.
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10 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
No one is trading any 3rd overall pick in any year with Necas as the main return. He had 53 points this year which was an 18 point drop from the prior season. Even if he put up 70 points again, he’s not getting the 3rd overall pick. Better players have been traded for far less (ie fiala, debrincat).
No GM would bite and give up the 3rd overall pick for a 27 year old player due a massive extension that kicks in when he’s 28 either, especially a rebuilding team. They aren’t risking that kind of asset and cap space when most of his best years are likely behind him.
Good players come out of every draft and this draft will be no different. Some definitely have more but we’re in a good spot to hopefully land one.The exact same reasoning can be said for Laine. No GM on a rebuilding team is going to give up almost $9mil in cap space for a declining often injured player.
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15 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Why would you give Laine a raise? Offer him lower AAV over a long term. As far as the rest goes, you think they will be making $10M or something each?
So lets just toss out numbers for fun, Zegras - $7m, Dostal -$5mil, Zell - $4mil, Minty - $5mil, 3OA - $5mil, Gauthier - $6mil, Carlsson - $7mil, McTavish $6 mil, total $45 mil. Using the last year where those guys need to be resigned that leaves the Ducks with 11 players signed and 22.35 mil left in cap space for over half of the roster that needs to be filled out. Toss in another $8 mil player to resign and you only have $14 mil left for 11 players. You really want the rest of the team to be $1mil guys?
And Laine gets a raise as he would still be young and he would not be accepting a pay cut. So we are back to losing him or giving him a raise.
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Just now, perry_mvp said:
Again, what are you talking about? You think he's going to retire from hockey in two years? That's what contract negotiations are for.
As has been said before though, that contract would end right when the contracts start ending for our younger stars. We will need the money for them. I doubt they would be giving a raise to Laine when you have the likes of Mctavish, Carlsson, Zegras, Mintyukov, Zellwegger, Dostal, Gauthier, and likely the 3OA this year all requiring substantial raises.
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1 minute ago, perry_mvp said:
So..... I don't understand your philosophy on this. His AAV for two is $8.7M and that's a problem for a team that needs to reach the cap floor? It's for two years not eight years. And no I as stated above I am NOT using the 3rd OA. That's asinine. I said the Edmonton pick. Will they do it? I have no idea. In general, I'm not trading the 3rd OA unless it's Stutzle. And no, I'm not trading Zegras or McTavish because it makes absolutely no sense to trade either of them when you're trying to build a top 6. If you don't think the Edmonton pick will do it then how about this: Next years first top 15 protected or the 2026 first unprotected? If Verbeek is confident that this team will be in the playoffs by then, he shouldn't have a problem with that.
Sure lets do the 2026 unprotected for a guy that will not have a contract by then. The problem with the $8.7 mil is we have owners who are not going to spend that on an often injured reclamation project when they have OC Vibe to fund.
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19 hours ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Sorry not sure what is meant by this face…. I was trying to say, my recollection was it was just the rookie playing his offside. But after reading that quote, it clearly was not the case.
Got it. Thought it was a sarcastic remark with the haha at the end of the post.
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6 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
It's not a fascination with him. He happens to be in the age range that fits our young core. If we are looking for a RS forward you can't rule him out.
His $8.7mil salary per season automatically rules him out. Nobody is going to make more then Terry right now and especially not a reclamation project that you hope returns to what he used to be. Are you trading 3OA for Laine? Because the late 1st or a 2nd isn't going to intrigue them enough to make a trade. Are you trading McTavish for Laine? Zegras for Laine? Lacombe is of no interest as Columbus has enough defensive prospects coming up that they don't need one.
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8 hours ago, Duckboy93 said:
Honestly don’t understand people’s fascination with Laine on this board. People complain about the terrible defense in front of our goalies and you want to bring in yet another inept defensive player who is also a very streaky offensive player
I don't understand it either. The guy brings a cap hit of $8mil per season, is never healthy, and spent the majority of the year in players assistance. There are red flags galore around this player. Are we wanting him because he had a couple good years in Winnipeg and he might bounce back? He hasnt done much or played much in Columbus. And where have we heard this bounce back thing before. People on here have wanted to keep players as they might bounce back, Perry, Rakell, and most recently Gibson. What happened to those guys? Bounce backs never occurred and the Ducks failed to sell them when their value was high.
6 hours ago, Sexlaf15 said:The fascination is that he scores goals, something this team famously does not do.
Sometimes. He did it for a few years in Winnipeg, complained he wasnt a top line player, and has not lived up to his $8mil/year since. He is injured more then he scores and is not worth the $8mil. The guy hit 44 goals in his second season and has been scoring less every year since. The cost it would take to acquire this player, and then pay him, is not worth it. If he was only a cap hit of $1mil sure, but at 8, no thanks.
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45 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Thanks … I thought it was more of. A rookie playing his offside … but this is pretty clear hahah
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