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1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
There is no GM dead or alive that is trading Zegras for Necas. Not even Peter Chiarelli would do that.
It depends on what Carolina needs. I’d say something along the lines of Vatrano and our 2nd round pick.
if you want to do futures. Then I think you’re looking at the Edmonton 1st + the Boston 2nd as far as being in the ballpark. If they want a prospect then maybe mayotic or Terrance instead.
So you are way over evaluating what Vatrano and a 2nd would get and way over valuing Mayotvic and Terrance. A late 1st and a 2nd would not get Necas. This is a player we are talking about that has had back to back 20 goal seasons, 71 points two years ago and is a top 6 RW, exactly what the Ducks need. This is a prime example of you have to give quality in order to get quality. A late 1st in a weak draft isn't going to move the needle. Neither will either of the two prospects especially when our own fan base call them horrible picks. Sorry. If you called Carolina offering a late 1st and 2nd or a 2nd and one of those prospects, they hang up.
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2 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
What do you think Necas’ value is? 7 of those assets are untouchable unless you are trading for an elite star player and it makes no sense for Carolina to trade for zellweger or luneau. They’d need vatrano with Guentzel and teravainen being UFAs this summer.
Necas' value is equivalent to Trevor Zegras' value. A one for one swap would be equal. What do you think his value is? A 2nd round pick and Lundestrom?
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9 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
It’s almost as if you didn’t read what I said. I’m all for trading for a Necas, but then when you sign him to 7 years at $7 mil AAV, you basically are going to have to trade one of Leo / Zegras / McT / Dostal / Cutter / Minty / Top 5 pick / Zelly / Tristian….. as you won’t be able to afford all your players.
So the short term, higher AAV helps the now and doesn’t hurt the future.
Not to worry. If the Ducks were to trade for Necas, one of those players would likely be going back the other way.
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1 hour ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Don’t forget Leo playing the PK. I think people don’t understand some of are weaknesses will Be fixed internally. Much like a pk involving Leo / Killorn / Terry / (McT or Cutter, I’d love to Z get a look too)…….
Killorn was brought in specifically to kill penalties and he was awful at it.
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1 hour ago, Belarus said:
Aww. Sask will be broken hearted... 🙂
That should be rmthe last time the 30th anniversary season is mentioned. Ice is swept into the dumpster just like any reminders of this 30th anniversary season should be.
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5 hours ago, MooseDuck said:
IF Beeker wants to Redeem himself by making a Big Splash in Signing...STEVE STAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMKOS.
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And you would be fine paying a 35 year old $8 - 10 mil for three years for what exactly I dont know. I highly doubt at 35 years old that Stamkos is thinking to himself, "you know what, to end my career I want to go play for a rebuilding team that likely won't make the playoffs anytime soon and there is a good chance they wont make it the rest of my career". Stamkos is likely going to a contender, not a pretender.
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6 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Big names signing like Selanne who was 35 years young, “missed all of the season” before …. Hadn’t played in 2 years. Superstar signing?
how do you feel about Stamkos again ? I’m sure you loved the Selanne signing
BIIGGGGG difference here buddy. Selanne signed for a whopping $1mil contract and then put up 90 points. Stamkos is going to sign for $7-8 mil per season. If Stamkos wants to sign with the Ducks for $1mil and 1 year and put up 90 points I'm all on board for that. However he is signing 3-4 years at $7-8mil and I am not onboard with that for a player that age.
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3 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
I call what you are trying to get our GM to do mediocrity. If we traded for a stud right now, it would throw our future cap into hell. Make us just good enough to miss the playoffs not good enough to win. And we’d be stuck being the current Calgary flames.
No need to worry there. Our GM doesn't have what it takes to trade for a stud, yet alone the assets that he would be willing to move to get it done. Instead he will hold his draft picks near and dear to his heart and the Ducks will continue to be towards the bottom of the west for 6 more years at least, which is what he said himself, competing for the playoffs in 6 years. Which is sad because the comment was competing for the playoffs in 6 years, not going far, the goal is to make it in 6 years.
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13 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Exactly…. Once we got hit with the injury bug. Ross Johnston was there to protect our Leo investment. I understand why he played this year, injuries and Leo. But he should never play more than 10 games a season max….ever again for the ducks.
Yes, such a great idea to protect the Leo investment when he wasnt playing every game and got hurt himself. If that was the plan, then Johnston should have sat when Leo sat and been scratched while he was hurt. He wasnt.
13 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:Yeah we need a GM that will mortgage the future in order to make sure our rebuild is cut a short and we spend another 10 years in mediocrity at best.
The idea is not to mortgage the future. The idea is to get out of the rebuild faster and remain competitive for 10+ seasons. Not to be the doormat for 10+ seasons which is where we are heading.
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12 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
The Ducks had the team to go all in for in 2006, they don’t now. Is Brian Burke making the Pronger trade if that team was where the ducks currently are? I don’t think there’s any chance that he would.
The problem is at the start of the 2005-06 season, the Ducks did not have the team to go all in. As just posted Burke made 14 trades and some big free agent signings to get that team to what it was to end the season. That was all built in one year by the GM. This was a team coming off the lockout and their last season where they went 29-35-10-8 and finished 12th in the West. Then Burke came on board and rebuilt that team in a year and won the cup the next year. That's what having the right GM with the right mindset can do.
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6 minutes ago, hoxxey said:
Sask is right on point and I couldn’t agree more.
The ducks went “all in” because they had a gm that was up to it. They were a nightmare to play against.
they nearly won in 2006, without pronger…The notion “they had better show improvement or light at the end of the tunnel” or else is preposterous. They don’t have the level of standards built into their system or thought process (I nearly said “critical thinking”) to get there. The ducks need better everything.
The fact that the assistant coaches are still here sums it up. It’s like “work for the ducks- they never fire anyone. It’s all good bro”.
Look at the moves Burke made overall to get to 2007.
Traded Sergei Federov to Columubs for Tyler Wright and Francois Beauchemin (who nobody knew at that time)
Traded for Jeff Friesen
Traded for Travis Moen
Traded away both Petr Sykora and Sandis Ozolinsh
Trade for Sean O'Donnell
In total Brian Burke made 14 trades in that off season and during the season and brought in some key components to the cup win. He also signed Scott Niedermayer that season. He also claimed Todd Marchant off waivers (better move then Ross Johnston), and signed Teemu Selanne. That was just one season. Verbeek hasn't made this many moves in his two and a half years on the job, yet alone that many key moves.
He followed that up by bringing in Pronger, Parros, and Brad May the next year.
I don't see Verbeek going after the same kind of talent to win now. I see him only looking at the bottom of the barrel.
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2 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Yeah but that’s exactly what I said. GMPV purposefully built a roster that would suck, to try and get Bedard. Left his Lame Duck coach (Eakins) to also purposefully tank.
players and coaches are fighting for their livelihood. They should be trying every practice / play / game. But when you roster Nathan Beaulieu for 52 games.
Kind of the same as rostering Ross Johnston for 68 games.
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15 minutes ago, MooseDuck said:
Ducks Should have High Standard...which is Gold...Think of 2007 Stanley Cup Championship Team...That is standard they should Strive for with Right Mix.
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Ding Ding Ding. That is the exact correct response to the standard this team should have. Have the attitude to win championships year after year. Not this attitude of just keeping your head above water and being the bottom feeder. The differences I see from 2007 to now, back then the Ducks hired a GM that was a full "I want to win and will do whatever I have to in order to achieve that". Burke made big trades and had no problem doing it and held his players to a high standard of accountability. The downfall of the team started when he left. Verbeek on the other hand, is not willing to make the big moves or hire the correct staff for the organization to succeed, and the sad part is he is fine sticking with the status quo in hopes that it might get better. Did this with Eakins, is doing this with the assistants, and currently doing it with Cronin. I have no clue how a coach survives multiple 10 game losing streaks in a season where his team only competes for 5 minutes each game. At least San Jose and Chicago would compete for a full game, they just have bad teams.
If I were GM, you are right I would not be bringing back the guys listed above and nobody on this coaching staff would be back next season either. I can understand some struggles in your first year as a coach but as a GM I would want to see signs of improvement. What I saw this year was improvement at the start of the season and then it just got worse and worse and worse. Yes there were injuries, but you have to be a good enough coach to overcome the injuries and put the players on the ice in the correct position to succeed and to motivate them. Ross Johnston playing every game and being your 6th attacker at the end of the games, that right there shows how little the coach knows.
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1 hour ago, Aksun said:
sask is one who's the other?
LOL, not sure I'd want the coach's job, but I'll gladly apply for the GM position.
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On 4/19/2024 at 3:20 PM, MooseDuck said:
I personally Beleive Ducks GMPV will be going to spend more and make some Strategic Hockey Trades...to improve the team. He knows this offseason is his to lose.
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Remember, in order to get quality you have to give quality. Teams arent giving these guys away for free. Not many teams would value a late 1st round pick in a weak draft quality. If this was last years draft sure. Even early 2nd round picks held more value then they do this year.
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23 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
Here's my hope for what they look like in camp:
LW
Gauthier / ??? / Vatrano / Nesterenko or possibly Sidorov
C
Carlsson / Zegras / McTavish / Strome
RW
Killorn / Colangelo / Terry / Leason
Extras: Johnston, McGinn
With that LW slot filled by one of Teravainen, Guentzel, Bertuzzi, Stamkos, Tyffoli, Marchessault, DuClair, or Arvidsson
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Fowler / Mintyukov / LaCombe
RD
Zellweger / ??? / Gudas
Extra: Luneau
With that RD spot filled by one of Tanev, Pesce, Zadorov, Montour, Roy, A. Carrier, or DeMelo
They could go the trade route to improve, but in this scenario I'm just listing guys who are pending UFAs.
Nice wish list. Too bad that's all it will be in the end.
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22 hours ago, MooseDuck said:
I personally Beleive Ducks GMPV will be going to spend more and make some Strategic Hockey Trades...to improve the team. He knows this offseason is his to lose.
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So Zegras and McTavish will be the Ducks trade chips to bring in quality players? Because a 2nd rounder and Warren wont do it.
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Just for fun, since becoming a Pat Verbeek ran team, the Ducks have an overall record of 57-119-22, a stellar .343 win% in 198 games. The last few years with Murray, going back to 2018-19, the Ducks were 88-104-30, .464 win% in 222 games. Not whole lot better, but further ahead then where they are now, going back to the team has just been getting worse and worse with Verbeek in charge. Hopefully the tide will turn here shortly.
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26 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
He built that roster on purpose to try and get a generational player. A good GM does that. No matter what he says to the media, no one says. Yes we are trying to suck to get Bedard. But if you watch the defensive roster he built. We were. Then 8 rookies this year, obviously we weren’t going to be much improved.
The only major qualm I have with your response though, and I have it with most of your comments Sask…… is you assume that GMPV accepted or didn’t ask for more in these trades.
like didn’t get enough for Klingberg, should have offered……. Like you have no proof either way what he tried to swing, or wheel and deal.
everything you assume about Verbeek is negative, while everything I assume is more positive. Mine being because I don’t think any GM in the history of GM’s would be like ….. I’m not even going ask if Lindholm will sign back with us or not. Not only that, I’m just going to accept the first offer that comes on my desk. Salary dump, you want to give me a second for that, perfect I won’t ask for something else.
And wins and losses don’t matter, all that means if you read between the lines …… this team is not competitive and good enough to win. So let’s focus on the fundamentals and improvement, rather than wins and losses.
obviously when we are older and good, wins and losses will matter.Hey, I was the one on here last year saying he was tanking on purpose and continusly got the "no he's not", "where is your proof", "why would any GM do such a thing" from the upbeat positive crowd of posters. It was clear to me before the season even started what he was trying to do, but boy, did I get shot down when I suggested that last season.
Just as you say, you have no proof either that he did ask for more in these trades or didn't jump on the first offers. Maybe he did ask for more. Maybe he took what he learned as an assistant and tried to bargain, or maybe he was a rookie GM and verteran GMs took advantage of him and lowballed him and he accepted. You never know. I don't know if that was the case just like you dont know if he asked for more. Did he ask Lindholm to resign, who knows. He had only a few weeks when he came onboard to make the decision to trade him or not. Or did he just see what guys were on expiring contracts set to become UFAs and went, I need to trade them all and get what I can. Who knows. Not you, not me.
Yup, when the Ducks are older and better wins and losses will matter. Chances or neither GM or coach will be around at that time.
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10 hours ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
I’d argue getting Carlsson was him being a good GM, because we drafted a bunch of promising D men, and we had 1 year before they made the jump to the AHL (at least) 4 dudes. LaCombe / Zelly / Tristian / Minty. We had 2 young forward prospects already in the NHL (Zegras and McT) and had the franchise altering Connor Bedard as the consensus number 1 pick. He then rostered one of the worst defensive units I have ever seen in the history of the NHL, kept Eakins for one more (in his mind at least) tank season to try and get Bedard.
that is being a good GM, the Klingberg signing was also good, even though it didn’t amount to enough of a return according to you, the thought process behind it was solid. The trade for Dadanov was also a very good way of weaponizing cap space (not his fault some other team messed up the no trade list). We had 7 picks in the top 100 and will have 8 this year. The Gudas signing has looked very good. I actually still like the Killorn signing even though he’s overpaid. Vats ain’t awful. Strome sucks. Drafted Pavel. Drafted Leo over Fantalli.
he had the balls to trade all of our UFA’s and actually commit to the rebuild, I don’t care if in your mind he didn’t get enough from all those trades, he ripped a much needed bandaid off the corpse of our beloved team.
i am unsure what you wanted sign Lindholm / Manson / Raks all to the same deals they’ve receive from their other teams . Throw a bunch of money and kill all our cap space and any UFA that will come, and kick the can down the road to rebuild and probably be in the 5-10 worst teams in the league . Never draft Leo / or this top 5 pick we are about to get.
we almost got Conor Bedard because of his masterclass tank job. No one in the world thinks he was actually trying to win last year no matter what he said.
this year he thought we’d be better, but inconsistent rookies (both players and coach) + injuries and no depth put a stop to that.now this is not to say he’s perfect, but I think the hate is too much from this sub. Let’s see what he does this offseason.
As I said, drafting Carlsson does not count as a good move. Verbeek fell into that move with the awful roster he put together. Finished worst in the league and couldn't have gone wrong with any in that top 3. Verbeek got Carlsson only because he assembled an AHL team that he thought was going to be .500 or better. Does not count.
Thought process behind the Klingberg signing was there. But the return on the trade, come on, even you have to admit it was awful. A 4th round pick and C level prospect. This is where I would have loved to see Verbeek toss in a 2nd with Klingberg just to get a better prospect in return. Nesterenko is a nothing, and will never be a constant NHL player.
He did tear a team down, but again, the Lindholm trade, was that enough of a return. A 1st, 2nd, 3rd, salary dump, and Vaaks. The salary dump should have been worth a 1st and Lindholm alone was worth a 1st. There should have been two 1sts coming back in that trade and again, or one 1st and a much better prospect then a 6th defenseman.
So he shouldn't have signed Lindholm and Manson to have a better defense, but instead throw that money at the likes of Strome and Klingberg and the following season Killorn. Makes lots of sense there. You could have easily offered your #1 defenseman the money he deserved. Instead we are now stuck with Fowler as our #1D. I don't know about you, but I would rather have Lindholm in that spot. Maybe Lindholm would have never resigned with the team or didn't want to, that never become public.
Coaching, kept Eakins for an extra year so he could complete his tank, which he says he wasn;t trying to do. Not fooling anyone with that comment. Then hires Eakins 2.0 the following season because he can "teach our young kids how to play". I'm sorry, these guys have been playing hockey since they were 5. They know how to play. You need to put them into a system where they will succeed, and it's not Cronin's. Plus the guy is 68 years old, what game is he trying to teach them. The one Verbeek played? That's not todays NHL.
What he does this offseason will be telling. Sadly I don't trust a word out of our GMs mouth. This the guy that said "wins and losses don't matter", "I love the compete level of this team" (as the team is losing 3-0 and being outshot 20-8 after 1 period behind him), "I am done being a seller" (but has said he loves draft picks and has shown in the past 0 effort to be creative and include them in any trade for better returns).
This is going to be a big make or break off season, but unfortunately I am not expecting our all mighty GM to do anything major. Bargain barrel shopping and maybe another Ross Johnston type player for next year, but nothing more.
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34 minutes ago, HockeyIzCool said:
And you won't be alone, everybody starts fresh come October, and we all should have hopes that they'll improve significantly. Meaning more than 1 handful of points improvement like was the case this season.
I would take 1 handful of points improvement this year over last year. How I wish that was the case. Right now the Ducks are set to finsih with 1 point less then last year. Not more, less. 58 points last year vs 57 points this year and likely a loss to Vegas. I wish we had a handful of points more.
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1 hour ago, Belarus said:
I meant it in a good-natured way, Moose. Was actually poking fun at Sask! 🤪
You keep posting just the way you've been posting. The board wouldn't be the same without you!
I picked up on what you were getting at...in this 30th anniversary season 😉
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4 hours ago, hoxxey said:
he's a point per game player with a real NHL head coach. That ain't Cronin.
Exactly. I would rather take that late 1st rounder and package it with Cronin for Cooper.
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2 hours ago, perry_mvp said:
He just turned 34 in February.
My bad. NHL.com list the birthday as 2/7/90. We ysually read that as day/month/year here. Can see how that can easily by misread.
Greg Cronin - New Head Coach
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Did he not watch any games this season? Cronin very rarely changed this up during the game, yet alone from game to game, and when he did and found something that worked, he switched back to the tried and true that didn't work.