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3 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Definitely I could see him going with another option, and one more 34 year won’t do anything negative towards the team. His willingness to come here is the big ? …. It’s up to GMPV and co to convince him he’s the missing piece for our team and we can compete for a ship in the 3 years of his contract. Which may not be possible to convince. But history with gudas / Killorn / and Verbeek in Tampa….. we absolutely get a conversation if Tampa doesn’t want him.
Not arguing that the Ducks wouldn't be in the mix or even get a conversation, but at the stage of his career and being 35 years old, I'm not sure being part of a rebuilding team for just 3 years and then moving on because they have to sign their young players is exactly what he is looking for. Probably looking for the place to finish his career and chase another cup or 2.
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4 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
I understand that GMPV hasn’t traded any late first yet, but I think that’s more so an indictment on the organizational depth and lack thereof. Now that he stated he wants to compete for a playoff spot next year, all those assets you’ve acquired become trade chips for potential deals to help the NHL roster now !!!! I know you don’t have any faith in Verbeek, but this is just the logical conclusion to acquiring all those assets. Whether or not a trade comes to fruition probably has more to do with what’s available and the asking price rather than is unwillingness to move Edmonton’s pick. Once again my own thinking, maybe not verbeeks….. but if he isn’t willing to trade it we have a major problem….. but I don’t think that’s the case. Could be wrong
Verbeek stated last year that he wanted to compete for a playoff spot this season but only brought in Killorn and Gudas and made zero offseason trades to improve the team. Just because he said he wants to compete for a playoff spot you have to take that with a grain of salt. He says that every year. Every year that is the goal. Doesn't mean he is going to make drastic improvements to get there.
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6 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
I disagree on the Stamkos portion of this good sir. I think we need an over 30 guy for a short 1-3 year deal bigger AAV, because it sets us up for paying our young studs as they need pay raises. It gives us a 40 goal scorer this year (granted he won’t be that on the ducks) who is a captain, and doesn’t eat up cap for our future. I’d love to trade for Necas, but then what happens when we sign him to an 6 year 5-7 mil deal (don’t know what he’s due)and it’s time to pay Leo / Mct / Minty / Cutter / Zegras / Zelly …. You are basically handcuffing yourself to be forced to trade one of them or Terry.
Agree. But the over 30 guy for this team we already have. Strome is 31, Killorn 34, McGinn 30, and Vatrano 30, Fowler 32, Gudas 33, Gibson 30. Do we need more 30 plus year olds? Stamkos is 34. Would he sign here for 3 years? For what? To maybe compete for a playoff spot until he is 37 and during the last few years of his career or would he rather choose to sign a team friendly deal with a contender and chase one more cup before he retires? I see him going with the second option.
Verbeek needs to focus more on the big contracts he has coming up to renew and not chasing 35 year old players, as Stamkos would be 35 before next season.
After next season the Ducks have McTavish, Colangelo, and Dostal to resign.
The following season Zegras, Carlsson, Mintyukov, Zellweger, and Gauthier. Ducks need to keep their cap space to resign these guys as they will all require big pay days.
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2 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Again, it would be in the range of the 2024 oilers pick + Noah Warren/carey Terrance/myatovic. That is in line with what fiala went for. Carolina might want a player now like Vatrano, so you could then package something like Vatrano plus the oilers pick for Necas and a 2nd or in that range. The Ducks on their excess picks alone this draft could pull it off.
the ducks aren’t giving up any of their own first round picks and wouldn’t have to.
As much as I would like to see that, Verbeek has stated numerous times how he likes to have draft picks and I really don't see him trading a 1st round pick even if it is late. He was very adamant that he was getting a 1st for Henrique and to turn around and trade it doesn't seem like a Verbeek move. I would be SHOCKED if Verbeek uses that pick in any trade. He has already shown last year with 3 second round picks, an unwillingness to move them to improve his roster so I doubt he is moving a 1st if he wouldn't move a 2nd. I could be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.
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5 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Not using assets and not having them are two different things. You refer back to the fiala trade a lot. The Ducks absolutely could pay a similar price for say a Necas if they wanted (mid to late first round pick plus a solid prospect) assuming he’s a target and would be willing to sign here.
Nylander just signed his extension in Toronto and no one is trading for Tavares. The hard part is that star players (depending on who you define as one) usually aren’t being shopped and if they are then they have a lot of say as to which teams they’d be willing to go to.
The Ducks giving up Zegras, Carlsson, McTavish, Minty, zellweger, Gauthier and even luneau would be so short sided and they don’t need to do so to get an impact piece. If you want a superstar then it changes things.
I've never referenced the Fiala trade once, so we will start with that.
Let's use Necas then. With these great quality assets the Ducks have, what would a Necas trade look like. Again Verbeek is going to use both the 1st round picks this year, so neither of them can be included in any trade. What do we have of value that would bring Necas to Anaheim? Luneau, 2nd round pick, Vatrano? Pitre, 1st unprotected next year and conditional 3rd? I doubt someone like Pitre, Sidorov, Gaucher, Dionicio, Myatovic, Collangelo, Moore, etc, gets any kind of trade done on their own.
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21 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
The Ducks absolutely have assets to trade in picks and prospects. The only pick that is off the table is our own first. Everything other one can be traded. Our prospect pool is top-5 in the league. Whether that happens is the question. The Ducks issue isn’t the price more than whether the player fits their age timeline with the guys coming up and whether they want to play in Anaheim. What star player are you targeting?
also, I don’t think adding a 3rd or 2nd round pick with Klingberg would have accomplished anything. He was so bad and had a too high of a cap hit to get any significant asset for him. They weren’t getting a 2nd round pick, let alone a first unless they added a prime asset as well which would have made no sense.
So hypothetically thinking, what top 6 player or top defenseman can the Ducks trade for with the "assets" they have. What would a trade look like to you. Not using either of our 1st round picks this year, as Verbeek won't trade them? Those top 5 prospect pool, those are guys he wont trade either. Your talking Carlsson, Mintyukov, Zelwegger, Gauthier, and Luneau there. So what does that leave? Pitre and a 2nd for Tavares or Nylander. Not even close. Let's see a trade proposal with the actual assets we would be willing to give up.
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40 minutes ago, MooseDuck said:
I don't believe Ducks will Trade Z-man......Sask Hating Beeker is the one thing I disagree with him alot.
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At least we have something to disagree about, lol.
Besides the Gauthier trade, can you tell me one thing that Verbeek has actually done to improve this team? Drafting Carlsson does not count as he fell into that due to how bad of a team he put together. Neither does resigning your RFAs.
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35 minutes ago, MooseDuck said:
2024 Offseason is make or break for Beeker just Feeling....IF he wants to do something BIG....take a page out of Ducks GM Predecessors and make a BIG Splash IE Trade or Free Agent Signing.
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If only he would. There are no big name free agents to sign. Just an over the hill Stamkos who would be overpaid and is on the wrong side of 30 for our rebuild. Trade option is the best option, but again, I don't know what assets we have to trade. Verbeek isn't trading either of the 1st round picks and unless it is Zegras or McTavish he moves, then I doubt there is much left that can get a good return. He already traded the defenseman. Maybe Lacombe, but he isn't bringing a star back. Luneau is going nowhere, and the other prospects coming up are unproven so they arent fetching huge returns either with nothing to show yet. A trade is going to take some creative thinking on Verbeek's part, and let's be honest, he isn't that creative. He already could have tossed in a 2nd or 3rd rounder with Klingberg last year to get a better return from Minnesota but he didn't.
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3 hours ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Well after next year all of our A prospects will be on the big club, so we’ve had been in the top 5 for prospects for 3 ish years now, and everyone is graduating (who hasn’t already) this year.
so Jack Hughes scored 21 pts in 61 games / then 31 in 56 games …… then 56 in 49 games.
So our hope as Ducks fans is that next year we get slight improvement from Leo, some bigger jumps from Zegras and Mct / Terry to float around 60 pts. Slight improvements from Minty and Zelly. Cutter will get every chance to score 45 + pts…. and then if we get real lucky all the kids really pop the following year and we skyrocket into the upper echelons of the NHL and never look back.
and if that happens you have these B prospects who can come in and fill in for a week while our studs are injured. And the reason PV and GC didn’t do it this year is because no one on the main club could be sent down without being put on waivers….. besides a Minty / Leo / McT ? / LaCombe ….. so instead of possibly losing assets for nothing, they gave them the year to try and prove themselves, and will lose them for nothing or trade their rights this offseason.
What I meant by they didnt do it this year was there were no call ups while guys were hurt. And while players were placed on IR they dont count against the 23 man roster so guys could have been called up without sending anyone down.
Either way, I agree. The hope is you get more from Zegras, Terry, McTavish, Cutter, Leo but you also need an offensive plan. Cronin to me is way to worried about defense first and sacrifices the offensive game for defense focus. Only explanation I have for the 14 shot games and drop in production from some of our key guys. I've said elsewhere last season the Ducks were losing 6-3, 6-4, 6-5 games. This year they cut down on shots and goals against but dropped offensively so instead were losing 2-0, 3-1, or 3-2 and the odd 6-1 or 8-2. Could you imagine if they had the same offense as last year.
PS - Sidorov 2 goals tonight so far but again not playing defense.
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Just now, PlzInsertLiquor said:
I don’t know what to tell you. Every article in the history of articles for the last 2-3 years have had the ducks having a top 5 prospect pools.
as prospect graduate to NHL players, they have what we call growing pains.
so unless every person who writes articles about NHL teams and their prospect pool, haven’t been doing their job, and just blindly say we have a great prospect pool. And you are the correct one out of every one else in the world. I’m just going to continue to assume we have a good prospect pool, that is now starting to reach the phase where some of those prospects actually start playing in the NHL and AHL
Again, I agree with you. We keep seeing the articles and we keep hearing about it, but who are they referencing. The guys still in juniors or the guys under 23 that are already playing on the team? Cutter is a great prospect. The Athletic had our top 5 prospects listed as Gauthier, Zellweger, Luneau, Gaucher, and Clara, with a note that the Ducks A level prospects drops off after number 4 where most teams have two more, while the Ducks have an abundance of B level prospects. Also they ranked the Ducks at #5. And I would agree with this article, alot of B level prospects that likely won't get a cup of coffee and most of the A level prospects are already a part of the team.
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3 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Our great prospects are basically all rookies or soon to be rookies in the NHL …. That’s why they say we have a great prospect pool. 21 and under
mctavish / cutter / leo / Pavel / Zelly / Luneau / top 5 pick but most of are A prospects are in the NHL.
why Sidorovs of the world help the ducks, is even if they aren’t great NHL players, we have options for call ups when people get inevitably hurt. We had to run Groulx / Johnston on our 4th line this year. It will be nice to be able to pick up the player that meets are needs. Top 6 scoring winger goes out give Sidorov a try. Bottom 6 grinder, give regenda . See we will Have organizational depth. Where we have multiple options of how to address injuries instead of just play bo groulx .
Yet this GM and coach did no such thing this year. When guys went out we rolled Groulx, Jones, and Johnston. Instead why not call up Gawdin, Regenda, Nesterenko, anyone that was putting up some kind of numbers in the AHL and try them out in similar rolls with the Ducks. Nope, had to keep Ross Johnston playing. Yes it's nice to have options, but they had options this year, just refused to use them. Even early in the season when Drysdale went out, why not call up Zellweger then. Instead we were subject to Robert Hagg. For some reason, they refused to call anyone up through out the year until the games meant nothing.
As for prospect pools, after two full seasons, McTavish should no longer count in the prospect pool and neither should anyone playing with the big club as they are no longer prospects, they are in the show. McTavish, Leo, Mintyukov should no longer count. Now two of them are just rookies. Zellweger, Cutter, Luneau I'll give you as still being prospects.
Again, I hope some of these later picks turn into something or prove they belong in the show. That would help the teams organizational depth. But if they just run the path of Tracey and Perreault, then they don't help at all as neither of them were giving a shot.
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10 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
You’ve never asked how many games I’ve watched of his, and I’ve never watched a single game.
but really, sidirov isn’t important to the future of the ducks, or would be nice if he turned into Brayden Point like Tampa did with a 3rd round pick.
and why is it you pick the least important thing I said and harp on that. A 3rd round draft pick’s ceiling or floor is the least important thing this team has going on
Sorry, not trying to harp on the one guy. Guess it's the overall comments about the "great prospect pool". These guys are still coming up from junior but the majority of the guys coming in are 2nd or 3rd round picks or later. It's not like there are a bunch of former 1st round picks coming into the Gulls lineup next season. There is some hope that these later picks will turn into something, but we've had guys like Tracey and Perreault, late 1st round picks, that turned into nothing. You can add Sam Steel to that list. Those 3 are late 1st picks, so who is to say these guys coming up next year, the Sidorov, Pitre, or who ever else it is are going to be anything for the franchise. Chances are they will fizzle out just like those other three. Could they turn into something, sure, and I hope for the sake of the team they do, but the odds are slim. So if we didn't have the talent in the AHL to combat injuries this year, I don't think any of these guys that Verbeek said will be in the AHL next year will alleviate the injury concern either.
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33 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Sasks buddy we’ve gone over this multiple times.(and it looks like neither of will budge on our position, but as a glutton for punishment, I’ll try one more time)
You look at the record as some black and white litmus test of how we performed as a team. Which at the end of the day, I will accept you are right. But for the ducks organization and where we are currently at in our rebuild. It is not black and white.
we have a great prospect pool, because none of them are in the AHL, see people rank prospect pools on talent and age. If your prospects are all 22 and in the AHL, you will not have a good prospect pool. If all your prospects are 17 / 18 / 19 and still playing NCAA as freshman or sophomores, or in the OHL etc . Then your prospect pool is usually rated higher.
and Sidirov is a third round pick, and you want to diminish him as a prospect (which he already 90% won’t make the league because he’s a third rounder) after 1 game. Would you trade Zegras after one bad game ? Leo ?
Sidorov played 1 bad game last night he’s played 73 including playoffs. You want to base your judgement on his entire potential based off of .01 % of the games he played this year ?Again, I'm going to ask, how many games have you seen Sidorov play this year? I've watched the majority of those 73 games and there are games he looks great, but there are a bunch of games where he takes the day off. He will not make the NHL playing like I've seen this year.
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1 hour ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Saks buddy, your response makes me laugh too.
no one in the world expects a team to be 100% healthy for a season. But the key is, we don’t have the organization depth to withstand injuries to our top 6, (but we should have better deep soon, with all the players coming from the minors to AHL) we are in the middle stages of a rebuild. Colorado is in the championship window, so they can survive are build to survive injuries a little better than us. Plus they are just a better team.
If I give you 1 year to train 20 people for a race to the death across the Oregon Trail, and 10 of your people die of dysentery a week before you start the race. I’d say you weren’t given a fair shake. Doesn’t mean the guy you bet against (or in this case the GM that hired you) doesn’t still kill you (fire the coach).
it comes down to expectations vs reality. No one expected us to make the playoffs this year, but we did expect improvements in our record. With those injuries (5 games played with our entire top 6 healthy, which equates to 6% of the season.). I’d say Cronin deserves to get one more training camp and start of a year.
So I give you an example of a team last year who lost significant man games to injury to very significant players on their team and still won their division and used 5 goalies in the process and your argument is they are a better team then us. Yes they are a better team then the Ducks, but guess what, they are also better coached and have a better GM. I would argue with those players out of the lineup that they are not that much better. They just have a proper coach in play that can get the most out of his players in any situation he puts them in and can get his AHL call ups motivated and playing in the correct spots. Something Cronin has failed on.
Toss Vegas into that mix as well as they lost significant players for a good length of time last year and still finished first in the conference. Again, better GM, coach and owners willing to do what it takes to win.
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9 minutes ago, hoxxey said:
Maybe a goal of reducing the losses from 50 losses would be in play? Pretty sad.
Maybe a goal of winning more then 50% of your home games, instead of just 12.
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Just now, Fisix said:
kinda seems like Beek is copying Yzermin (sic). so, we have at least another year with Cronin, unless Cronin decides he wants out and resigns. i don't think that's a likely event.
Or he only has the one year contract and no extension is giving out. Also unlikely.
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47 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Saks buddy, your response makes me laugh too.
no one in the world expects a team to be 100% healthy for a season. But the key is, we don’t have the organization depth to withstand injuries to our top 6, (but we should have better deep soon, with all the players coming from the minors to AHL) we are in the middle stages of a rebuild. Colorado is in the championship window, so they can survive are build to survive injuries a little better than us. Plus they are just a better team.
If I give you 1 year to train 20 people for a race to the death across the Oregon Trail, and 10 of your people die of dysentery a week before you start the race. I’d say you weren’t given a fair shake. Doesn’t mean the guy you bet against (or in this case the GM that hired you) doesn’t still kill you (fire the coach).
it comes down to expectations vs reality. No one expected us to make the playoffs this year, but we did expect improvements in our record. With those injuries (5 games played with our entire top 6 healthy, which equates to 6% of the season.). I’d say Cronin deserves to get one more training camp and start of a year.
You are correct, nobody expected the Ducks to make the playoffs this year. After that 6 game win streak though we were thinking we were going to be more competitive this year. Boy were we fooled. Nobody also expected the Ducks to finish with a worse record then that debacle of a team did last year, but yet here we are, likely to finish with a worse record and already setting the franchise record for losses in a season. We were expecting steps forwards, but the team took yet another step back.
Kind of odd again for a team that constantly gets quoted as having this great prospect pool to have nobody in the AHL that could have stepped in when there were injuries. And the sad part is, yes there are kids coming to the AHL next year, but are these guys going to be able to step in or are they just more Brayden Tracey's and Jacob Perreault's, all hype, no flash. Remember, most of these guys joining the Gulls next year or 2nd or 3rd round picks or later, and those guys 90% of the time do not pan out to NHL players. So will they really be able to step in during injuries next year, or will they just be more warm body fillers that can't contribute or keep up? Time will tell.
Did you watch game two of the Blades series to see how Sidirov did? No. Too bad. I was at that game. 2 lazy penalties, whiffed on all his one time shots, and overall played a very lazy game. Guess he would fight right in.
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8 hours ago, Belarus said:
Moose, you're going to make Sask slap his forehead with the "30th Anniversary" comments! 😃
Too late 🤣
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15 hours ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
While I understand all the concerns and criticisms with Cronin. He was not given a fair shake. Our top 6 has missed 25% of available games.
LOL, this makes me laugh. Not giving a fair shake? He had the entire season. Injuries happen. Next year he is going to have to deal with injuries again. So when Carlsson gets hurt in game 2 and misses the entire season and the Ducks finish with 60 points, Cronin is getting a pass because he was not giving a healthy team for 82 games. It will never happen. It's the coach's responsibility to find the next guy up and where he will succeed in the lineup. It's the coach's responsibility to motivate the players that he does have so they actually show up and compete in a game. Yes they may still lose with the players that are injured, but there should be more compete then being outshot 36-14 on a nightly basis and getting 2, 6, 7, or sometimes 0 shots in a period. That is on the coach. Cronin failed to get the most out of the players he had. Failed to find the next guy up that was willing to seize the opportunity the injuries presented, and failed to motivate the guys to compete hard and for a full 60 minutes on a nightly basis. Those are the signs of a bad coach. Nathan McKinnon missed 11 games last year, Makar 22, Nichushkin 29 games, Manson 55 games, Byram 40 games. Those are pretty significant injuries for Colorado and big injuries on their defense and guess what, they still made the playoffs last year and won their division and stayed competitive through it all. That's what having the right coach can do. Plug the injuries with the next guy up, motivate the players, and still not miss a beat.
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1 hour ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
I agree it is a long shot, because I think he goes back to Tampa. But if Tampa doesn’t want him. Ties to Verbeek and Killorn already said he will try to recruit him in an athletic article. GMPV’s son replied to an article saying something along the lines of where could Stamkos end up with 🦆 🦆, so where there is smoke, fire …. 🤷🏼♂️
but also a lineup up of
Killorn / Leo / Stamkos
Vats / Mct / Strome
Cutter / Zegras / Colangelo
jones / Isaac / Leason
not including if we somehow got Celebrini. Looks a lot better than the offense we iced this year.
with a pp1 of Leo / Stamkos / z / cutter
pp2 of mct / terry / strome / vats
with Zelly and minty as QBs
Lineup looks better. My only issue with it is the Zegras line should be line 2. Strome and Vatrano are third line players, not second, or put Gauthier on line 1 with Leo and Stamkos and Vatrano with Zegras and Colangelo as Z and Vatrano have had some nice chemistry lately. Also remove Strome from that PP unit. Id rather see Killorn there.
Vatrano - McTavish - Zegras looks a bit better or Vatrano - Zegras - Colangelo with Killorn - Mctavish - Strome.
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1 hour ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
I disagree RHD is absolutely necessary, while I think it would be REAL nice. If we roll with Zelly / Gudas / Lindstrom / Luneau as our four RD, it wouldn’t be the worse. Gudas and Lindstrom are both + 11 ….. with this joke of a season. Zelly hasn’t looked LaCombe lost on his off hand.
The top 6 winger is going to be Stamkos, and that will alleviate your captain problem. Kick that can down the road 2-3 years, when a player truly earns it.
this summer will not make or break the team for the next decade, it merely will make or break GMPV’s tenure as GM of the ducks. The pcs are already here. The only way it breaks the team if he goes out and signs Sam reinhart for 7 year 11 mil and Brandon Montour for 7 years 8 mil. Because then we wouldn’t have cap space to afford our young core. But as long as he signs an old vet, to a 2-3 year contract….. we are set for the future.
this summer, GMPV, should start making moves that lead to a better product on this ice, that is for sure. And whether that added RHD is Luneau or someone like Roy …. That’s his decision…..
Guaranteed, Stamkos is not coming here. 100%. Even if Tampa doesn't resign him, he is not going to choose the Ducks to finish his career. There is no opportunity to win another cup for him during his remaining years with the Ducks.
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19 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
Yeah, that’s why they are better at it. If they were worse at it, they would have let more in. You are better at that particularly metric if less go in, you are worse if you let more in.
Ao they are better because they gave up less goals and scored less goals. Sorry but they got slightly better definsively and way worse offensively. Kind of a wash as they let in less but score less.
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3 hours ago, Duckboy93 said:
Offensively this team took a major step backwards this year, but as much as you hate people saying it, I’m going to contribute that to Zegras being out for 51 games this season along with other key injuries for our key offensive players.
defensively statistically we gave up way less shots each game and almost 50 fewer goals. Did we have some massive breakdowns each game absolutely (but when you have 3 rookies for most of the season it’s going to happen).
if we can stay heathy, I think we get some better line chemistry which is going to really boost us back up offensively next season. There are certainly some major bright spots for us to look forward too, but I don’t think those steps get taken without Cronin and PV being in different assistant coaches
Offense also took a step back because of yhe coach. He is known as a defensive coach not an offensive coach. His biggest worry was his offensive star focus on his defense game and less on offense. The last few games Zegras has looked dangerous as to me with only a few games left he is playing his game, not the game Cronin wants him to play. I believe the Ducks do better next year with a different coach. Bring back Cronin, expect similar results. Players dont respect him.
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3 hours ago, MooseDuck said:
one game Left....I am looking forward to the Ducks Winning the Final Game and close out their 30th Anniversary Season of Hockey.
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And what season is that you are watching that the Ducks win their final game, because it wont this one.
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He turns 35 in July, so before next season even begins.