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Just now, saskduckfan said:
The exact same reasoning can be said for Laine. No GM on a rebuilding team is going to give up almost $9mil in cap space for a declining often injured player.
Laine still has two more years on his contract so if he comeback with 35-40 goal seasons then he’ll get a nice contract but he’s not tracking to make more than what he’s making now. I don’t think Columbus dumps him at his lowest value and lets him try to regain his form.
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8 hours ago, DucksFan_08 said:
Necas is far from elite but this draft isn´t either. I never would have traded the 3rd OA last year for him but this year there´s maybe no top prospect to be picked. Necas (former 1st rounder himself) is 25 years old and put up 71 points last season. Might be a fluke but he´d be our leading scorer. If they add their 1st I think that´s a fair price.
Talking about elite, Marner is. And with an 9 mil AAV in place you´d be an idiot for not trading the 3rd OA pick for him. Toronto won´t bite of course because they need something that´ll help them now.
No one is trading any 3rd overall pick in any year with Necas as the main return. He had 53 points this year which was an 18 point drop from the prior season. Even if he put up 70 points again, he’s not getting the 3rd overall pick. Better players have been traded for far less (ie fiala, debrincat).
No GM would bite and give up the 3rd overall pick for a 27 year old player due a massive extension that kicks in when he’s 28 either, especially a rebuilding team. They aren’t risking that kind of asset and cap space when most of his best years are likely behind him.
Good players come out of every draft and this draft will be no different. Some definitely have more but we’re in a good spot to hopefully land one. -
What a comeback by Vancouver!
down 4-1 and then dominated Edmonton to win 5-4. Draisaitl looks to be playing hobbled also.
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3 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
To me they are right on the cusp between "build with assets" and "time to start being good".
They had two vets just drop off in Rico and Silf. Fowler (33 in DEC), Strome (31 in JUL), Vatrano (31 next MAR), Killorn (35 in SEP), Gibson (31 in JUL), and Gudas (34 in JUN) all seem like they have a couple years max left.
So, while getting prospects is never a bad idea, I feel like they should be leaning into trying to get some mid-to-late 20's vets into the roster. Not role players, but guys who can play up in the lineup and who can give them a serious, solid 5-6 years. And those guys have to come via trade, usually. UFA guys are almost always right around 28-29 and up.
Their mid-late 20's guys are mostly guys who just are not that dynamic - Lundestrom, Jones, Leason, Meyers, Groulx, Lindstrom, Vaakanianen, Lagesson. Terry is it. Then it's guys with less than 3 seasons and guys north of 30.
If they had only been terrible for the last 3 seasons, I would say "build".
Unfortunately, it's been 7 seasons. They can't afford to be terrible for 2-3 more seasons. It will become a disease.
I’m down for that but they don’t need to use the 3rd overall pick to help with them to start being good imo
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9 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
Kinda depends on if the team is building (in which case you want a guy who is only 1-3 years in the league) or is ready to start winning (in which case you want a guy with experience, 25-28 years old).
Also would depend on how deep your development/prospect pool is. The deeper it is, the less you "need" a kid.
I think that is a pretty easy distinction to make for the Ducks though. They are rebuilding and not close to winning to where they should trade the pick unless you are getting a young budding star player which are difficult to come by. T
IMO, the Ducks prospect pool is good but not deep or established enough yet to forego a top-3 pick
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7 minutes ago, DucksFan_08 said:
I meant Marner with an extension in place that is not 11 mil.
As for Necas, the 3rd OA for him is probably an overpay but it doesn´t have to be one for one. Maybe something like 3rd OA+Lundestrom for Necas and Carolina´s 1st rounder.
Even Marner in the high 9’s aav isn’t worth #3 OA of a pick straight up. If he were three years younger then I think we’re in the ballpark. He just turned 27 and is one year away from hitting free agency, so the Ducks have no control while the draft pick has 7 accrued seasons worth. This notwithstanding Toronto s situation and needs or marners NMC either. Not to mention where the uncertainty of where Ducks are currently at.
Necas and Carolina’s first, presumably in the 25 range isn’t nearly enough to get the 3rd overall. Necas isn’t an elite or star player and first round pick doesn’t get you there. You need an elite return for an elite asset which is why we haven’t seen a top-5 pick traded in 25 years imo. They are that valuable and even more valuable in a salary cap league.
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Just now, tommer-1 said:
A proven NHL goal scorer (at least three seasons of 25+ goals) or a top pair RHD. Both under 28 years old and would have to be extended if their deals were close to expiring.
It makes more sense to try to find the F in UFA market, but, for instance, a guy like Travis Konecny, if PHI wanted to make that deal.
The RHD is tougher to find in UFA.
If you’re giving up the 3rd overall pick then I think you need a player at least 24 years or younger from an age perspective that fits your description. You’d being giving key cost controlled prime years of a top pick compared to a player in his later 20s. 3-4 years makes a huge difference
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3 minutes ago, DucksFan_08 said:
Use it in a package for an extended Marner?
Don´t know how Jiricek is being valued at the moment but maybe there is something to talk about.
Somebody proposed Necas in the trade & free agent thread. That would have to be a sign and trade though.
No GM is trading the 3rd overall pick for Marner though. He makes almost 11 mil a season and is due an extension after next year. Contracts factor in quite a bit in a players trade value. If Toronto wants to try and make another playoff run then they wouldn’t trade for futures but rather established NHL players who can help now. This is also coming off a playoff series where Marner was ripped for his play as well.
Jiricek is interesting and was displeased with the organization earlier in the season but then they fired their GM and came out saying Jiricek isn’t going anywhere. So I think odds went slim to none on him being traded now.
we discussed Necas in another thread and the Ducks would not need to offer anything close to a top-10 pick for him. Better players were traded for much less. Hes a nice target to look into though
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5 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Montreal isn't going to pick a defenseman at 5th. They already have enough defensemen for two teams. You're right, what Chicago does could blow up the plan if they pick Lindstrom but I don't think they pick him. Demidov is more their style for a forward. Even still, Montreal would absolutely trade Mailloux for a chance to pick Lindstrom. And even by chance Columbus picks Levshunov, we still get Silayev which works for us. We could come out of the first round with a big LD in Silayev or Levshunov and Mailloux.
Columbus is loaded on defense also. Jiricek, severson (who they gave a huge contract to) and gudbranson on the right side. Werenski and mateycuk on the left side. I think they are absolutely taking a forward
6 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:Well, until you know who you could get, that is 100% untrue.
What player would you consider worth it in general though?
9 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:I think if they take Silayev they are picking Fowler's heir, at least positionally. His contract is for two more seasons in the KHL, so he wouldn't be playing here until 2026/27, which is also the season right after the summer Fowler is a UFA.
Mintyukov could also be Fowler's replacement - he gets my vote right now - but it wouldn't hurt to have another young Russian stud on the blueline. Or a Belarussian, if they take Levshunov.
I still think Levshunov is higher on their board than Silayev, but who knows. That's just a guess based on RH v LH, NCAA v KHL, sooner availability v delayed development in NA.
Also, Silayev is tall but thin - 6' 7", 211 lbs. You never know if those guys can bulk up, or if they are just built like that, like Marcus Pettersson. Levshunov is 6' 2" and weighs 209 lbs. Solid.
I don't think either guy is a bad pick, really. Almost anyone they pick 3rd will be a good pick, imo. Demidov, Levshunov, Silayev, Lindstrom (I doubt they pick him).
My take has always been that Leshunov is the pick if he’s on the board and I think the odds of that are greater after the lottery. Theres a case for silayev but I don’t think he’ll be it.
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18 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Ok, so let's do a process of elimination:
San Jose- Celebrini
Chicago-Demidov, Levshunov, Silayev, Lindstrom (I think they pick Silayev)
I would propose a trade with Montreal: trade the 3rd for the 5th and Logan Mailloux. Montreal isn't picking a defenseman so either Demidov or Lindstrom are available to them
Columbus-Demidov, Levshunov or Silayev could still be on the board. If Demidov is their guy they will pick him. If both Demidov and Lindstrom are gone that could leave Levshunov or Silayev. I think though, Columbus would go for a forward. Laine isn't working for them. Johnson isn't working for them. Sillinger has been slow to develop. So I don't think they pick a defenseman and if Silayev and Levshunov are still there, they go off the board and pick either Eiserman or Iginla.
Anaheim- Now Verbeek has his choice of either Silayev or Levshunov.
Oh, I responded to a post about trading the #3 for a player that will come in and help the team now. Thats what I don’t see happening.
As far as trading back, Chicago obviously sets the table with who they pick. Trading back to 5th and adding Mailloux is something I’d be good with but I don’t think Montreal considers it. They aren’t far enough back to worry about lindstrom or demidov being unavailable unless Chicago takes a forward. If Chicago takes silayev (I think they take lindstrom or Leshunov) and the ducks take leshunov then they’ll get either lindstrom or demidov without trading up.
i think Columbus is going forward also, so if Montreal wants to leap frog them, assuming Chicago takes a forward, to get one of their top two forwards then they could make Verbeek an offer but I put the odds of it happening to be extremely slim
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32 minutes ago, DucksFan_08 said:
No idea. Maybe some players become available when a GM dangles the 3rd OA pick.
Regardless of availability, what players do you think are worth that pick?
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8 hours ago, DucksFan_08 said:
I stand by what I said months ago. If we don´t end up with #1 OA, try to use the pick in a trade to get us something that can help us now.
Who would that be though? There’s no available player worthy of spending that pick on and very few players who are worth it straight up.
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43 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
That will be his cousin in two years.
I don't think they care about having LD-RD pairings like Verbeek does. They care about size and no defenseman in this draft (at least top 10) is bigger than Silayev.
Jones 6' 4"- Rinzel 6" 4"- Vlassic 6' 6"- Silayev 6' 7"- Korchinski (the smallest) 6' 2". I don't know anything about the others you listed but if Chicago can upgrade on size they will. And if any of the others are keepers, Chicago has pretty much solidified their defense. They're going to keep tanking until they have that shot at Gavin McKenna in two years.
that is significant size on the back end already with vlasic playing a similar style that silayev does. I think where they might add size is with lindstrom
I think the McKenna tankathon will be a fun one. As long as he stays out of the west. San Jose will still be in the running, if the Bedard era is progressing then I think they won’t have a good enough spot to get him.
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16 minutes ago, DT2008 said:
I’ve been watching hockey for the better part of 50 years. This whole RH /LH defensemen seems only to have a been a thing for the last couple. Take the best player. I don’t care if he’s RH LH or ambidextrous
I think verbeek will do that. If he thinks silayev is the best available player then he’ll be the pick and then figure out who plays on their off side or gets traded. Each of the top defensemen have different playing styles. Silayev is the most physical and defensively sound of them with the most size.
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why don’t we get the pick lol? Only fair. Chicago covered up sexual assault and didn’t lose anything
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51 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Chicago is building a big defense. They'll take Silayev. They don't care about LHD-RHD, they just want Big D. So I'm 99.9% certain Levshunov will be available #3. Chicago is probably begging Bettman to let them lose next years lottery to they can get Bedard's cousin in 2026.
I think they might. Like us, their strength is overwhelmingly on the left side. Korchinski, vlasic, del mastro, Nolan Allan. On the right side, they only have Sam rinzel but also have jones under contract long-term. If they go defense, then I think they are taking Leshunov.
My guess is they take lindstrom or demidov
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Sharks have the 13th overall pick as well. Every team but the Ducks has a horseshoe up their a**
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Just another d*** kick
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So, does this mean Chicago can’t win the draft lottery for 3 years now? They got first last year and won 2nd this year
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San Jose gets the worst record and wins the lottery. Makes losing out last year sting again
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1 minute ago, Fisix said:
i doubt the sharks would take our 3rd and our other first round for their 1stOA, but i'd certainly ask.
Grier is taking no calls on that pick
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I think this helps increase the likelihood Leshunov as the pick. Don’t think Chicago is taking him
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Eff the sharks though also
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3rd overall.
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2023-2024 NHL Catch-All
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Sheldon Keefe fired. Can’t figure out why lol