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10 minutes ago, Spencer_12 said:
I wouldn’t consider that blunder a character concern, but watching it live my initial thought was that it would be nice if it scares off some teams so he falls to Edmonton’s pick. That’s not realistic though; no team is making decisions based off one play in one game. What could be realistic is teams ahead of Edmonton’s pick already have concerns about him and have guys they like just as much so that causes him to fall. Either way, I watched 5 US games in the tournament and he was one of the best players for them so I’d put more weight onto that than a bad finish for him.
These tournaments are huge for draft stock though. So I wouldn’t be shocked if taking a really bad penalties that loses your team the gold medal game sticks in the minds of scouts
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44 minutes ago, PlzInsertLiquor said:
Is this a target based on supposed FA contract and cost via trade ? Or vacuum these players fit best?
Personal list of guys I’d like to see on the team. Not much hard logic or anything. Hard to quantify, much considering potential contract, player, numbers and fit. I’m lower on trade targets because how what you’re giving up to get.
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28 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Thing is we need a shooter not another playmaker. Necas shoots the puck. Marner passes it. He doesn't seem to be a physical player either. Quite honestly, I'm not a big fan of either and I would rather go the free agency route. Keep in mind it's Verbeek's wish to get the RS RW. IMO, it shouldn't matter if it's RS or LS. A shooter that can bury the puck in the net is what matters.
That’s fair, Marner has a higher career shooting percentage, but takes considerably less shots. I agree that neither are my number 1 target
I’m probably
Marchassault with a tiny edge over Stamkos
Stamkos
Marner
Laine
Necas
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1 hour ago, perry_mvp said:
Would Marner take a drastic pay cut? I don't think he would. Just based on that I still wouldn't want him. Necas would be millions less and younger. If there is interest by the Ducks to make a trade for Necas, it better be the period after the playoffs and before the draft. There are rumblings that Montreal is going to offer sheet him.
I don’t think Marner gets a raise to be fair. Necas isnt in the same tier of player as Marner, Necas’ best year is like one of Marners worst. Marner is only like a year and a half older. I would personally take Marner over Necas. Especially if the difference is only 3-4 million dollars.
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50 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
Necas isn't making close to $11M like Marner so the expectations for Marner should be high. Yep, I know they don't get paid for being in the playoffs but still, it's hard to swallow that Marner disappears in the playoffs. There will be big changes in Toronto. If Marner doesn't agree to a trade they might even buy him out because they are not going to extend him. Personally, I would stay clear of him. Just a Primadonna.
I wonder what Necas gets on his next contract. If he gets something around Terry, does that chsnge anything, is 30 goals 95-100 points worth 4 or so million more? Especially if both struggle to produce on the playoffs. Mitch Marner is about a 72 point pace over 82 games in the playoffs, pretty drastic downgrade. So I 100% understand the reluctance. Necas is a 41 point pace in the playoffs. It’s a tough call for me personally. I don’t know if I can pull qualify him as a “primadonna” everything I hear from Leafs fans is that he cares too much and believe the hockey landscape in Toronto eats him up. That’s an easy fix considering the media in Anaheim. He certainly does himself no favors in the media, but I don’t think Marner is a “I don’t care” type player, probably the opposite to a detriment.
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12 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
I think he’d be a slight reach but I’ve felt that he is the type of forward that Verbeek would prioritize. Great defensively, strong along the boards and on his skates with good vision and playmaking ability. He’s also a RH shot. Even if demidov was an option and wanted to come here, I don’t think Verbeek would take him over Helenius.
I posted earlier that he’s the youngest player to make Finland’s world championship roster. Like you said, he’s produced every where that he’s been. I can easily see him being the second best forward on Verbeek’s draft board
At some point the results matter for sure. I just don’t see much high end talent, so I wonder how he’d do in the NHL.
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1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
The deeper I get into this draft rabbit hole my grain of salt take is that the pick will be Leshunov and if he’s gone then I think they take Helenius. Odds are we’ll be drafting 4th, in which case I think Leshunov will be off the board to likely to San Jose if they don’t get celebrini and Helenius will be our pick.
I’m pretty low on Helenius. Taking him in the top 5 would be insanity in my book, but he does keep producing everywhere he goes.
I really hope the Ducks land Demidov, but we’ll see tomorrow
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3 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Marner deserves to be hated by a non-Anaheim franchise.
Haha, he can come here kick back, zero media attention and light it up. Mainlynjoking, I’m pretty conflicted on Marner. He’s inarguably the best player available most likely in FA and via trade, but man hes played like crap in the playoffs. Can he change? Is it Toronto? I’m not sure, I think he’s pretty low on my list. I could be wrong, but wasn’t that why Carolina was unhappy with Necas? That he wasn’t performing well in the playoffs? just basic counting stats, but Marner has just about Necas’ point totals in roughly the same amount of playoff games.
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Marner for Gibson +++
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3 hours ago, FanSince1993 said:
rumors are Hollywood team may buy out Pierre Dubois. If it happens, maybe Ducks should offer him a "prove-it" deal, something like 1 years at $3 mil? This guy had 2 seasons with 60+ points, he can't be that bad, just didn't fit in Hollywood team,
I think it would be a win-win situation for both parties, worse case scenario, if it does not work for Ducks, he would be let go a year from now. What do you think, guys?
At some point a player has proven who he is. I wouldn’t be surprised if LA holds on and tries again thinking that they’re not going to play a 1-3-1 and hope he turns up. But PLD has forced himself out of 2 teams with poor effort, I’ll pass at this point.
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36 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
He’d take less aav to stay with Florida on an 8-year deal imo. I think they could get him for 9-9.5
Florida has a lot of decisions to make this summer. Only 20.5 mil in cap space with 10 UFAs (including Reinhart and Montour) with Lundell as an RFA.
Probably, because the extra year that Florida can give him makes a difference.
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17 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
Reinhart isnt worth $10-12mil per season though and if some team was dumb enough to give him that long term after one year thrn he becomes an early buy out candidate in a year or two. I'm just sayin if Reinhart takes 8-9 mil, I'd rather have the Ducks sign him then Stamkos. And you have to believe with McTavish, Carlsson, and Zegras they will all not be centers. They will all want high minutes. If somehow the Ducks win the lottery and add another center then all those guys wont be here long term.
He’s the belle of the ball this season. Hes coming off of a 57 goal 94 point season. I’d be surprised if he takes less than 10-11 million.
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3 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
Which is why when everyone is saying the Ducks should sign Stamkos for 8mil per, I'm saying the Ducks should take that and the extra two mil and sign Reinhart instead. Age fits our rebuild. Florida can sign Stamkos as their backup when they lose Reinhart.
Signing Reinhard wouldn’t be just an extra 2 million. You would be signing Reinhard for like 4 more years and 2-4 more million dollars per year. Reinharr worries me, this production came out of nowhere, conveniently in a contract year.
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On 4/27/2024 at 5:51 PM, Spencer_12 said:
I watched the US U18 game today. Mainly to see how Eiserman looked, and to see if anyone else stood out. One player that stood out to me is Trevor Connelly. He’s got top 10 skill, but there’s some character concerns around him. Nothing as bad as some of the other players in previous drafts you may have heard about, but the Athletic did a whole story about him. He’s ranked in the middle of the 1st round, but he could be a great pick if he drops to wherever Edmonton’s pick ends up being. He’s from Tustin.
As for Eiserman, he was a bit better than I was expecting. I was expecting him to have a great shot with not much else, but he had some good moments 5 on 5. He made a couple of nice plays, and wasn’t lazy on defense either. There were times when he tried to do too much in the offensive zone, was selfish with the puck, and then took a bad shot when other players were open in better spots. That’s been a critique I’ve read a lot about him. He scored two goals on the PP showing off his shot.
https://thehockeynews.com/news/nhl-scouts-face-dilemma-with-2024-draft-prospect-trevor-connelly
here’s an article on the character concerns for anyone interested
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1 hour ago, saskduckfan said:
This article sums up the Stamkos situation. Saying that a team like Chicago or Anaheim will offer him the big pay day, but he isn't the type of player that will take it without there being any hope of playoff success. There is a very small chance he signs here, but if it is a 3 year contract as we are all talking as we need money for the young guys in 3 years, the Ducks won't be making the playoffs at all during that time, so that drops the odds for Stamkos even lower.
This is simply an opinion piece. I don’t doubt that Stamkos wants to win, I also think Chicago and Anaheim are in vastly different areas of their rebuild. It’s been stated several times that Verbeek’s goal is to have this team competitive next year and to be vying for a playoff spot. Tou can sell that to Stamkos while also paying him, generational wealth far exceeding what Tampa or another traditional contender can.
My point is that, we do not know for sure. Stamkos has been very publicly discontent with his treatment by Tampa this year.
I think it’s easily 50/50 he comes to a rebuilding team vs taking less to go to a contender or stay where he is.
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19 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
It's been pretty well reported that Briere wants a full teardown so yeah, Konecny can be had for the right price. I would be more willing to give up Luneau, LaCombe or Vaakanainen (not all 3 of course, just one of them) and a pick (or 2). The thing about Konecny in general is that he's a good example of a later 1st round pick hitting and there are some potential late first rounders in this draft that I think could hit as well. Tough call but a UFA acquisition should be the first priority.
Lacombe
EDM 1st
+ another pick or C-B prospect
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56 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
Yeah, he may jump all over that for 4 years. No idea. And that could be the best deal he can get, because not every team will have the flexibility cap-wise that the Ducks will this summer and in the next few seasons.
The risk is those final 2 years. That’s when the RFAs are getting paid, I think they can manage fine, but it could get hairy when you’re paying
Strome 5 million for 1 year
Killorn 6.25 million for 1 year
And then add Marchessault/Stamkos around 5.5-8 million for 2 more years
could get tight pretty quickly
I think I like Marchessault and Stamkos just about the same. March has better underlying metrics, but Stamkos has that lethal shot the Ducks could absolutely use.
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9 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
One, the first part is a joke. Hahaha. In no way is it serious.
Two, I go on to explain why to stay away from Laine and who the most realistic targets are. The FA's could be targets, but there will be others in on them and there is probably a very good chance none of those top FA choose Anaheim unfortunately.
And I made a good case for why Laine makes sense. There’s cases for and against every player. The two you chose are two of the most difficult to obtain, both Necas and Konecny are not coming here cheap.
Necas has had 1 season of top 6 production, maybe 2 if you think 50 points is okay production from a top 6 winger. First you have to trade him, then you have to pay him.
Konecny I think is better than Necas and fits more of the team identity, he’s produced slightly better than Necas, but has also had trouble staying healthy and going to be expensive probably and you have to resign him as he’s a UFA after next seasonagain I put him down because pretty much anyone on that list is someone that I would be pretty good with adding and understand why you would add them.
Laine despite being kind of painted as disappointing has out produced both Necas and Konecny for most of his career. Again, it’s just a matter of preference.
It’s also not exactly controversial to say that you talk to people pretty poorly on this board.
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4 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Philly had such a wild season. The Gauthier trade, Carter hart, couturier drama and they missed the playoffs on the last game of the season. They exceeded expectations by a lot. Do they not fully blow it up now? Trading konecny would certainly indicate they are. I’ll be fascinated to see what they do.
Id look into Konecny also for futures if they are trying to trade him. Our own firsts and Zegras, Leo, cutter lol, McTavish, minty, luneau, zellweger are all off the table. He’s only got one year left on his deal
I love Konecny, if they could swing that type of deal, I’d be ecstatic.
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10 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
Well if we are just identifying players that we like that we wish to come to the Ducks, then add McDavid, Draisaitl, and Bedard to your list. Those guys would look good in Ducks colors and likely only cost a mid pick and player like Lacombe or Fowler to get them.
In all seriousness, I would stay far, far away from Laine. He has shown nothing since he left the Jets, other then it would be another team trading him away this early in his career. High salary too with nothing to back it up the last few years besides injuries. He is a hard pass at $8mil per season. At $4mil for a year, might be worth a try, but not his current length and salary.
I see Necas and Konecny as realistic targets.
I swear man, once you learn to speak to people in less of a condescending way, the world is your oyster!
It’s a little more intentional than random wishful thinking. 5 of them are FA and the others are assortments of players who have publicly been on the outs to varying degrees and/or players on rebuilding teams or on a team that might be rebuilding.
As for Laine, I agree he’s probably overpayed, but his contract is irrelevant to anyone not named Henry and/or Susan Samueli. It’s for 2 more seasons after this. Ducks are porbably flirting with the cap floor next season and it’s up before any of the big RFAs need to be paid. That actually helps the ducks case as they’re one of the only teams that can take the full cap hit and not need to ask for retention. Maine has been just about a PPG player for Columbus outside of this last year. Just hasn’t been able to stay healthy. He has warts, but he’s 26 and fits in with the age of the core, wicked shot, shoots right handed and is big. I think most of the guys available are probably going to have some level of warts.
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2 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
The Philly rumor mill is Zegras<-----> Konecny + Ristolainen.
That’s a hard pass for me. Zegras has produced pretty similarly to Konecny and I think Ristolainen is a negative value. He’s paid far too much for far too long.
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So targets that meet the basic RH Top 6 Winger that can be realistic targets.
Martin Necas - trade
Patrik Laine - trade
Steven Stamkos - FA
Jonathan Marchessault - FA
Mitch Marner - trade
Sam Reinhart - FA
Viktor Arvidsson - FA
Tyler Toffoli - FA
Complete guess territory based in guessing if a team might be start rebuilding or willing to trade an established wingerKyle Palmieri
Travis Konecny - really doubt this one, but man he’s a Verbeek guy
most of these are just guesses to varying degrees. So spare the “this guy would never come here” that gets posted any time anyone identifies a player they like
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Gibson replacement?
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9 minutes ago, ike8228 said:
Does there need to be. It’s a pretty good comparison. If you need evidence of a veteran cup winning leader coming to a new team and making a huge impact, look no further than Scotty. Stamkos could do the same thing.
I mean it’s one guy, who was arguably one of the best to ever do it a locked in leader. I’m not saying Stamkos isn’t that, but I’m not crossing my fingers that guys are Niedermeyer level adds to this team lol
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Pretty well sums up mine and a lot of scouts opinion. Which is, he’s a lock bottom six grinder, but lacks that oomph to push higher than that, that’s just not someone I want to spend a top 5 pick on. If you’re passing on Lindstrom, Levshunov, heck I think I’d take my chance on Silayev over Helenius