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2 hours ago, dirtyredduck said:
Gibson attending birth of child. Hope he wants maternity leave.
Gibson has been better than Dostal so I'm not sure why you're trying to make a dig at him.Â
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1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
not shocking given the huge disappointment so far in Ottawa’s seasonÂYeah Sens, Buffalo and Wings were all supposed to take a big step this year and only one of those teams did.Â
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5 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
Here’s the summary of the 3-15 streak, or whatever it is:
They get outscored
They get out-defensed
They get out-goaliedÂ
They lose the penalty tally
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Hmmm....Â
*does some calculations...
*mumbles "pythagoreum theorum... carry the one... take the square root... Eureka!
Those all check out. We are indeed hot garbage right now.... the calculations never lie!
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1 hour ago, Fisix said:
there's "rebuild", and then there's "overhaul".
i think what's slowly becoming clear is that the Ducks are in overhaul mode. very few teams go through that process, or need to. this changes the timeline a bit. it's self-serving for a new GM to talk as if we're swapping over to that mode, after going 1-11, but maybe it's part of an actual plan and not just convenient interview words?
in any event, this sort of jibes with my overall hindsight view that very few to zero of our most successful veterans instilled or nourished or conveyed a recognizable team ethos while they were here, and especially as they teetered off to retirement. i could blame BM... maybe he made that kind of engagement unpalatable. Scotty was on the staff for quite a while and seemed like he might make some waves with the Gulls etc., but then he basically disappeared. Maybe BM was part of the reason why that relationship didn't blossom. Same with Kariya and others. Maybe.
we seem to have gathered some retired players together into a new push to establish a team ethos, under Beek's direction. though, to be fair, while I've seen Scotty a lot more, he's still not here every game, and I haven't seen Kariya or Teemu participating in team skills training etc. Not to say it hasn't happened, I just haven't seen it.
what i mean to say is: it feels like the Kings can swap out coaches and tons of players, yet you can still say that you see King's hockey when they play. Same with most of the successful teams. Some teams, you can say you saw it being built (Colorado). It doesn't seem like it's an ownership thing, but ownership can definitely be a part of the process to keep that connection going. I remember the Ducks having an ethos - Cogs was part of that, and the shut down line was still part of that, and I think Bieksa participated in that (though he didn't pass it on). Weirdly, Fowler has always seemed like a bystander to that old team ethos. Getzlaf was his own ethos, and it meshed with the older team ethos, but his influence almost immediately evaporated when Getz retired. it wasn't something that was ever self-sustaining, and Getz wasn't a teacher, more a doer with expectations that those around him would emulate as best they could. Nick Ritchie was supposed to be Getz' pupil... and from personal experience, it triples your burnout rate to be saddled with training someone who just will never get it.
whoops, babbling.
anyway, i think based on these comments, either you shift your short term expectations for the Ducks, or you have to start thinking about shifting your team alliances. this overhaul appears to have solid support from the ownership, so if you can't accept the more robust timeline, remaining a fan means you're probably digging the grave of your own sanity.
Idk the great players have always been around the team in some way or another I think. Just not that much. Didn't Getzy also move to Nashville? I think you're right, we have to build a team structure/ identity off ice as well as on ice. It's for sure been noticeable in the leadership gap since Getzy left. I'd love for this team to bring in a guy with some serious leadership, someone like Saku Koivu, that's not going to be expensive but you could tell the team just had a different feel to it once he got there. I think the Killorn signing was supposed to be something like that but I'm just not seeing it from him. I thought Rico could be that guy but he just doesn't seem to be and probably wants to get traded asap. None of the vets are really bringing that leadership that helps get the team to that next level. Gudas I think has brought some kind leadership and stability to the blue line. But out of the forwards who is that? I only see McT as that real potential guy down the road.Â
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2 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
So you want to see the Ducks trade Gibson to the Devils for Vanecek (average goalie and isnt even good on the Devils), Holtz (reclamation projected, highly touted prospect that hasn't panned out, and picks. The Ducks could get better. But actually would probably end up with worse. Holtz who has 18 career points in 54 games played. Don't we have enough of these guys already. I see more Verbeek pulling a Gibson (50% retained) for Vanecek, Lazar, Shane Bowers, and a 4th round pick. That's a Verbeek trade.
Yes, just so the trade Gibson thread can be closed and you guys can stop your complaining for about 5 seconds.Â
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7 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
I kind of tend to believe that the culture has been "we won a cup in 2007, no need to try again". By try I mean make the moves necessary to win another cup.
I don't think that's true. We got closeon what 2015? The hawks beat us but a lot of people considered that series to be the true cup finals because of the powerhouse teams. We were really good in the mid 2010s. It's too bad BB couldn't get this team past a game 7 and Bob didn't get Kes earlier. Our biggest weakness was Bob was hesitant to pay to upgrade the team when needed. Then the injuries started to take hold. We'll hopefully make the necessary moves when the time comes.Â
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8 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
He is the one who said himself that wins and losses don't matter. So sorry, yes I believe he doesnt care about wins because he said he doesnt care about wins.
Ok well I'm sorry but if you honestly think his whole agenda is to lose every game then you're quite wrong. He doesn't care if we win or not because he wants the team to instill good habits. Because in the long run it's going to help us more than winning a game here or there. But that's not to say he doesn't want the team to win. He wants to have the team play right and have good habits and if they win while doing it then that's great. He's not against wins. I'm not sure why you're so dead set on this narrative and quite frankly I'm tired of replying to the same thing over and over. Now we can for sure roast Verbeek for keeping Eakins another year because it instilled bad habits for another year and we could have been working on those things for a year. We don't really know though and perhaps Eakins was told to work on that as well and yeah whatever he did last year was just garbage. Verbeek isn't without blame. He held onto Eakins, he signed a good amount of our top 6. But he also was able to bring in a better defense this year. Leo is looking like the right guy at #2. The team isn't winning sure but we've climbed out of the hole a little bit by not getting blown out in losses. There's good and bad things on both sides. But if you want to continue your narrow view and negativity then whatever. I'm not going to stop you, you have a right to critique Verbeek but I'm tired of it because it's not making a whole lot of sense.Â
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6 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
interesting from a Devils beat writerÂ
The devils make too much sense. Let's get this done!Â
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5 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
Calling up Gulls doesn't give the team a better chance to win. They need to start winning to change the culture and identity. The move has to be a kick in the pants to the team, not just an opportunity for a young player to get a game. What you're suggesting is what should happen in March when they're already looking towards next season, not in December when they still have 55 games to play.
It's more about sending a message that they're easily replaceable of they're not doing what they're supposed to. Trading is another way to do that. But if trades are harder to come by right now then I'd bring up Gulls and sit guys in the press box. Let them watch from the sidelines and see that they're just not cutting it. We need competition for spots, not just have them be handed out. Otherwise we're just letting the losing continue.Â
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2 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
Newell Brown is a holdover from the Murray era. The PP is average this season but was 31st in the league last season. If he has to be a sacrificial lamb, so be it.
Rico will be traded this season. Why not get a jump on that instead of waiting until there's one minute left on trade deadline day to squeeze that 2025 6th rounder into a 2026 4th rounder?
Several of Calgary's D-men have been made available. Zadorov was traded to Vancouver for a 5th (2024) + 3rd (2026). How about you beat that offer and push Vaakanainen or Lyubushkin out of the starting lineup? Or send LaCombe back to San Diego for some extra seasoning?
McGinn, Jones, and Leason are redundant pieces (IMO) and each guy could be useful to another team. Shake the locker room up by moving one of them. I like both guys, but sometimes a popular but not essential guy has to go so snap the rest of the team to attention. Trade one for a 4th rounder just to send a message that the losing has to stop.
Lots of different realistic moves could be made. Firing the GM and/or coach doesn't need to be the only option on the table.
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Yeah I'd be fine with those moves. They're not really pushing the needle in any direction but it helps to light a little fire showing guys they're job isn't as safe as they think. Sending LaCombe down isn't a bad idea either. Rico and Silf could easily be sat in favor of anyone on the Gulls of we wanted to do that. I agree PV can't just sit on his hands all day when the team is going no where. But we shouldn't be going crazy with moves either. If Verbeek panics, it could set the franchise back. Look what happened in Edmonton by the previous gms, they made moves that were bad before they left. I really hope that doesn't happen here.Â
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1 minute ago, dtsdlaw said:
I don't think this is the answer either, but this team needs some kind of a shake up. Doing nothing isn't the way either.
I'm a little surprised we haven't brought up guys from the Gulls for more looks. It's not like it's going to hurt at this point. Give Zellweger a couple of games. I know they're not much in the way of scorers but give Nestorenko, Regenda, Gaucher some looks. Idk shake up the roster so the guys would see their jobs are at stake if they don't pick things up. Idk let's sit Terry and bring up one of those guys to show that what they're doing isn't good enough.Â
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2 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
I agree. I'm just dumbstruck that zero changes have been made. Since the collapse started in November, the only moves Verbeek has made was to recall Luneau from a conditioning stint in San Diego (11/17), send down Chase De Leo after he returned from injury (11/23), loan Luneau to the world juniors (12/9) and call up Hagg (12/10).
How does a GM escape criticism from so many fans when he does NOTHING to help his team when they are in the throes of a 1-11 slide? I don't get it.
I think he hopes to ride it out until the injured guys return. But what changes could we realistically make though? I'd still like to see us trade Gibson while his numbers are still ok and teams looking for goalies don't find one somewhere else. Guys are going to leave closer to the deadline and there's not a lot of options around this time of the year. After the new year trades will start picking up so maybe we do something then? IdkÂ
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One other thing I think that needs to be done is send Z and Drysdale on conditioning stints to the Gulls. Help them get up to game speed a little. I think we should have done that with Killorn because it's taken him a while to adapt and he seems better now than when he rejoined the team.Â
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5 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
Sorry, I believe we are at the point of firing the coach and gm. Our GM has made very questionable roster moves and has quoted last year that the team was going to be .500 even though he put together one of the worst teams in history, and this year saying wins dont matter. We need a GM with a plan, one that knows what he or she is doing. And one that knows that wins is all that matters. As for a coach, we need one that is adaptable and can coach in the NHL. So far Verbeek only hires these successful AHL coaches that have no clue how to coach at the NHL level. Cronin is quickly going the same way as Eakins. Successful in the minor leagues, but horrible when in the show. Enough of the post game interviews of "I don't know what we are doing wrong". Isn't that your job? To be to coach and know what is going wrong and fix it. Us fans can see what is going wrong. If Cronin can't, then we can coach this team better then he can, sadly.
Do you seriously believe that Verbeek doesn't care about wins? Are you saying that he's actively trying to get fired? He's being patient. If you want to see a team go through coaches to find that winning formula look no further than Buffalo. Where did that get them? Oh not in the playoffs yet? I thought that was a great strategy to switch coaches like gloves until Eichel finds one he likes. If the gm isn't panicking right now I'm going to say he's still got a plan. You know when it's going to get real bad? When the gm starts throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what's going to stick. We should really REALLY be worried then.Â
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1 minute ago, dtsdlaw said:
My impression of Fisix's comment was that we don't actually know if those guys will make a difference, not that they for sure don't make a difference. I think it's a fair comment. Zegras was playing pretty well when he was in, but he still had only 1G/1A in 12 games. So it's not like we were suddenly robbed of a top scorer. And I also think we need to temper our expectations about what kind of impact Drysdale will have after missing nearly all of last season and all of training camp.
Drysdale is a pretty big question mark. But if he can come in and be better than say Lyubushkin or Vaks or Lacombe I'd say that's a decent improvement no? Not that Ilya is going to be out of the lineup because probably the coach and gm agree he's mentoring Minty. But it should help. Zegras I think had to have been dealing with something prior to his coming out of the lineup so I'm hoping that z can come in and help that top line which should also drop Killorn or Terry. Hopefully we bench him when z comes back for a game because he needs it. But yeah we're probably not going to go on a long winning streak but it should help the team none the less.Â
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Just now, dtsdlaw said:
That is an awfully low bar though. Last season was historically bad. Like, one of the very worst defensive teams ever. I don't understand how just being better than a historically bad team is good enough for Ducks fans now. Â
It's not. I already said I'm frustrated. But considering the hole we dug ourselves into it's going to take some serious effort to get out. I'm still seeing our effort to do this, it's why I'm not giving up on the team yet. Certainly changes need to be made but not to the point of firing the coach and gm.
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1 minute ago, dtsdlaw said:
McT has only missed three games. And the Ducks had lost 8 straight immediately prior to the game he got hurt in.
McTavish is a hugely important part of this team, but every team experiences injuries to their top players. Good teams persevere and find ways to still earn points.
Fisix said they didn't make a difference that they're out and seemed to imply they weren't contributing to anything anyway. That was my response. But for sure teams should be able to persevere through injuries but if those injuries are also to your top guys, you're going to struggle.Â
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24 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
Pathetic. The Ducks had a 14 point lead on the Sharks in the standings just 38 days ago.
And yet, no changes. Nobody has been fired. Nobody has been traded. Nobody has been called up or sent down. Nothing. This is all just fine apparently.
This is what a losing culture looks like.
I'm as frustrated as you are but come on now the team still looks better and is more cohesive than last year. Do we need to bring back Klingberg, grant and Delo to help you guys remember? Lol Maybe Beniot can come back for a game or two so you guys end up loving Lyubushkin.
While we're at it, let's give Eakins a few games and sit Cronin in the press box so he can learn what a true nhl coach does....Â
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13 minutes ago, Fisix said:
does it, though? i guess we'll see.
Are you serious? McT is the reason why we even have the points that we do. Yes we miss Zegras. Just because he was in a scoring slump to start the year doesn't mean he wasn't contributing. Drysdale seemed good in the couple of games he played but he didn't play much last year so it's been a wash on that so far.Â
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4 hours ago, Aksun said:
Nice so Jamie is the closest to return. But it's a good sign that we're going to get those guys back because we desperately need them.Â
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1 hour ago, dtsdlaw said:
Me too, but only if we get some frog protection.
Does olive do that? We should ask Zegras....
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If Vrana does go on waivers and we pick him up Sask is going to break everything in the local Ikea. He's going to be a one man riot! Lol
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7 minutes ago, Belarus said:
What, Olive insurance? Really? Oh wait, you meant Zegras actually PLAYING!..
Oh yeah those commercials were great! 🤪
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33 minutes ago, MrsBevoPK9 said:
It does mechanical breakdown coverage for your car. Exceptionally annoying commercials. Not sure how long they were a partner for the Ducks, but perhaps Z is no longer a spokesperson because they aren't in partnership with Anaheim any more.Â
Z, Drysdale and McT are on this trip, so they must all be either ready or close.Â
Oh I really hope they're going to be back soon. I'd really like to see Z make a big step this year.Â
Injured young guys?!?!?!?
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