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1 hour ago, Aksun said:
Dostal is so shaky, Verbeek can't possibly risk the development of Carlsson and his young D crop if he trades Gibson away.
Johnny Goalie is here to stay.
Not necessarily. Just get someone in more competent than Stalock and we'll be fine until the end of the season. After that we can look for someone as a stop gap until Dostal is going to be really ready to be the #1.
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Just now, saskduckfan said:
Edmonton also needs room in the salary cap to get Gibson, so unless you want 3 years of Jack Campbell in the return, he isn't going there.
Don't think Gibson would want to go to Canada anyway.
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1 hour ago, tommer-1 said:
I think they could roll with Stalock and Dostal the last 57 games and end up about where they probably will anyway.
Nah we'd have to get another goalie I think. Going with those two probably makes our record worse than last year and hurts the development of Dostal. Get another stop gap goalie better than Stalock.
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I think we've lost our chance to really use the cap to our advantage. We should have done more when we had the chance.
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3 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
Actually shots for through 23 games is slightly down vs last year. Last year average 30.09 SPG through 23 games, this year 29.13.
Ok fair enough. I just compared all of last season to what we're doing this season and not going through similar games played.
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3 hours ago, Joker8 said:
When you are the bottom, there is No way but up.
I was there in 1993 I was there in 2007 I would like to see a team that compete and win. There are no awards for second all the way to last place.
Yeah and we're trying to get there. We're moving forward. What do you expect this team to win the cup this year or something? Getting to the playoffs would have been a Christmas miracle! Let alone winning the cup. It's ok to have high expectations but you also have to be realistic that we can't win the cup every year.
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3 hours ago, Joker8 said:
No apologies are needed. (I misspell as well)
This is a good conversation, I wish the team had half of the passion we the fans show here.
No I did not think we are going to be a contender this year but I belive we are better than 27 spot in the NHL.
Secondly look at the Redwing organization they send their players to the AHL for 2-3 years before they play on the NHL level by then they are hangry to showcase and work for a contract.
third look at our schedule it is not getting any easier with the ducks lost 8 in a row do you believe they're going to beat the Ave's ? Winnipeg or the Islanders? No
When Brian Burke was the GM he said I evaluate the team and adjust after 20 games we are here make a trade.
The red wings? Really? Are you trying to compare us with a team that's been rebuilding longer than we have to try to make a point that we're somehow rebuilding worse then they are? What?
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2 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
I'll give them credit where credit is due, yes with a new coach and some new players, they have greatly reduced the shots against so far this season. They have improved in that department. What it has led to though is instead of losing 7-2, the lose 4-2. So they have done a great job cracking down on the shots against and goals against, but still have some work to do in the GF/GA area so they are actually winning games.
I don't understand what you're arguing anymore. You admit that we've improved and I'd say it's been a pretty significant improvement. Let's just take your 7-2 and 4-2 numbers, even if the team ends up losing the same amount of games but we reduce the goals against isn't that progress that the coaching staff and gm have made? Yeah we're not good enough to win the games but we're not getting destroyed anymore. Doesn't that only show how far in a hole we've been and climbing out isn't as easy as jumping out of the hole? Your whole thing is wins and loses but I'm seeing a team actually getting better. They're not great and again no body said they were. I'm not happy we're losing, you're not happy, no one is happy. But looking at the team in general I'm seeing progress you're seeing losses. I'm still hoping and expect this team to have more wins that last year in by no means saying we should end up with the same record. Let's see:
Shots against- down
Shots for- up
Goals against- down
Goals for- up
Current team pts%- up
Power play- up
Penalty kill- up
All positive directions for the team.
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10 hours ago, hoxxey said:
That was super cool. I loved when Torts said "wins and losses, scoring goals doesn't mean a goddamn thing compared to what this kid is going through". So right on the mark.
Too bad he didn't come to Anaheim...
No thanks! Torts is a really straightforward kid of person but I'd rather we not go that right, if only for the sake of Zegras lol
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9 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
Well, no complaints from me, I just don't know if there is enough room/ice time for two more top 6 Fs when you have McTavish, Carlsson, Terry, Zegras, Strome, Vatrano, Killorn.
Also don't know if the Ducks/GMPV can get two Top 6 Fs here before next season starts. They are a hot commodity. I just said "one" because I'm trying to be realistic. I'd like that one to be an impact guy.
Then you have to get what is expected out of Zegras, Carlsson, McTavish, and Terry.
You're probably right that we can expect one but ideally you move Strome, Vatrano and Killorn down to replace Rico, Silf and we probably move on from another forward, like Jones/Lundy/McGinn/etc. Or we may only pick up one top 6 winger and then target another in the following offseason. But if the opportunity presents itself to get two then we should do that and move guys as needed. If we push Strome, Vatrano and Killorn to the third next season we could have some really nice depth.
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3 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
End of this season/start of next season looking like:
Zegras/Carlsson/Upgrade
Vatrano/McTavish/Terry
Killorn/Lundestrom/Strome
McGinn/Groulx/Leason
Gaucher
Only one upgrade? I think we should target two top six guys if we want to see a significant improvement in offense.
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10 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:
The athletic out a trade target board. Couple of names stood out to me. Obviously Laine was on it.
Adam Boqvist - 23 years old, right shot defensemen. He’s struggled in Columbus, but he’s young, has a history of decent production on the blue line, could be a buy low target, 3rd/4th round pick.
Morgan Frost - 24 year old center, struggled to get out of Torts’ dog house. But last season put up 19 goals and 46 points. For an anemic offensive team like the Ducks middle six scoring talent that’s young on a discount could be nice.
I think now is the time to be using some of these 2nd-4th round picks to take swings in some guys. I feel like hitting on a move like that could put the team in a good spot. Even if you miss, it’s probably the same risk level as drafting a guy who you’re not gonna see for another 2-4 years anyway.
One thing I've noticed with Tampa is the trade out picks for guys who come in and play well for them. Picks are never guarantees of that player ever making it so getting a guy you know fits and is going to play well for you is a good trade off. The downside is you may have chosen a steal with the pick but often times the risk of trading the pick is worth the reward. We've got the picks and we should use them. Sure we can try to draft our way out and end up drafting a bunch of steels, Tracy's, etc. At some point we need to pull the trigger on some trades.
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7 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said:
The rebuild has taken a lot longer than it should, but that's Bob Murray's fault. Verbeek has only had a year and a half. I expect the Ducks next season to be competing for a playoff spot. If they're not, that's a problem. But I don't see a reason not to expect them to get there.
It's easier to blame Bob now but we were a really good team in the mid 2010s. He thought we could retool and continue. But we also got really unlucky with injuries and the play of perry dropping off too. A retool is pretty quick and I think his intention was to do a 1-2 year one and it didn't pan out. So now we're stuck with a longer and deeper rebuild because of that. Plus the coaches just haven't been very good ever sense BB left.
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5 minutes ago, g20topdogg said:
Currently the sabers, wings and sens have longer post season droughts. The Oilers. Arizona. You're sort of cherry picking some stats. The Kings? Ok let's look at their record:
In 15-16 they were second in the Pacific. The year prior they didn't make the playoffs and the year before that they won the cup. Ok so fine let's look after 15-16 where by the way they lost to the sharks in the first round 1-4.
16-17 5th in Pacific, no playoffs
17-18 4th in Pacific, playoffs, swept by Vegas in 1st round
18-19 8th in Pacific, no playoffs
19-20 7th in Pacific, no playoffs
20-21 6th in division, no playoffs
21-22 and 22-23 3rd in Pacific, 1st rd loss to oilers both times.
If your counting the year they got swept in the playoffs as not a rebuilding year fine three years to make it back. But the overall team trajectory had been on the downward slope before that.
By the way, no one here is justifying the rebuild time. I haven't seen anyone post that the rebuild is taking the proper time or whatever. We didn't rebuild earlier, Bob tried to retool and it didn't work. You know who else is in that same boat? The sharks. They are the next team after us in playoff drought and how's their rebuild going? Oh just started? Great. 👍
And what about New Jersey? They were essentially a garbage team for 10 years where in the middle of that they managed to make the playoffs (5th in metro in 17-18) and lost to Tampa in the first round 1-4. They are finally a pretty good team no? New York rangers might be one of the few teams to actually do a really quick turn around.
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5 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
When was the last time anyone took 6 - 10 years to complete a rebuild? Kings and Rangers both did it in 3 years.
Currently the sabers, wings and sens have longer post season droughts. The Oilers. Arizona. You're sort of cherry picking some stats. The Kings? Ok let's look at their record:
In 15-16 they were second in the Pacific. The year prior they didn't make the playoffs and the year before that they won the cup. Ok so fine let's look after 15-16 where by the way they lost to the sharks in the first round 1-4.
16-17 5th in Pacific, no playoffs
17-18 4th in Pacific, playoffs, swept by Vegas in 1st round
18-19 8th in Pacific, no playoffs
19-20 7th in Pacific, no playoffs
20-21 6th in division, no playoffs
21-22 and 22-23 3rd in Pacific, 1st rd loss to oilers both times.
If your counting the year they got swept in the playoffs as not a rebuilding year fine three years to make it back. But the overall team trajectory had been on the downward slope before that.
By the way, no one here is justifying the rebuild time. I haven't seen anyone post that the rebuild is taking the proper time or whatever. We didn't rebuild earlier, Bob tried to retool and it didn't work. You know who else is in that same boat? The sharks. They are the next team after us in playoff drought and how's their rebuild going? Oh just started? Great. 👍
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1 minute ago, dtsdlaw said:
Does Mike Babcock count?
Babcock probably set a new record! 😂
Even we can't compete with that franchise lol
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1 minute ago, saskduckfan said:
Steps in the right direction? They are 3 points ahead of last year. Thats nothing to be proud of. If it wasnt for some dramatic comebacks we would be saying they are playing better but they would have less points
I don't know what they were playing last year but it was unwatchable. Hardly hockey. You mentioned the goals for and against, we got blown out a few times pretty badly but otherwise we're still playing watchable hockey (at times). Compare that to last year it was pure garbage. The team looks lost right now I'm not going to lie and I'm not wearing rose colored glasses thinking were good right now, because we're not. In your world every player in a slump should be traded right away. Every coach on a losing streak needs to be fired. You keep talking about bad moves from Verbeek but so far Vatrano, Strome and Gudas have been pretty good. Oh you only like to harp how bad they are when they have a couple bad games? Nice. Ok well Cronin isn't going to be fired and neither is Verbeek. I sympathize with you in the way Leo is being used and it's pretty frustrating but I'm going to trust that it's worth it in the long run. Remember this is still a rebuilding year for us.
That said, coaching needs to adjust, we need Z man back, Drysdale, and Leo too. Terry needs to figure it out and the vets need to step up. We need some bounces to go our way and stop taking so many penalties. Playoffs were always a pipe dream to begin with. If we made it, it was only a bonus. We don't know yet, maybe the players are having a hard time readjusting to this system after the Eakins disaster. We don't really know what the lasting impact is from the Eakins years. I suspect that coaching systems are a lot like new players who enter the room from another team, it takes time to adjust. Patience in this case is better than a rash decision to fire the coach or gm.
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10 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
The Oilers fired Woodcroft after only giving him one full season and having the best winning percentage of a coach in franchise history. Also got his team to the Western Conference finals one year and the 2nd round the next. Sometimes you have to fire a coach to shake things up and send a message. Too bad we have an incompetent GM that likely thinks we should be top of the division this year. Loss number 7 coming up tonight.
Oilers are in a different stratosphere in terms of playoffs even at this point? It's apples and oranges to make this comparison.
10 hours ago, hoxxey said:We don't "need" to do anything. We can make observations and point out the obvious. First year or not, are you seeing the coach make adjustments that are effective? Not really. Is Anaheim a "try out" team where coaches and players go to "try things and get some experience?" Seems like it.
We can "choose" to begin to ask these questions based on our experience as fans and hockey enthusiasts.
"Calm down" indicates anxiety. I as a fan wish for something better.
When was the last time anyone who's rebuilding (key word here) fired a coach a quarter of the way through their first season? It doesn't make any sense. That's 100% a panic move and those are never good. We can get upset and criticize the way he's doing things sure. I'm not against that at all but right now some posters are just saying we should do that based on emotion. Build on the good. We're making steps in the right direction. We just need to get back to playing the way we were in the beginning of the season. Adjustments need to be made no doubt. But just saying fire the coach and gm isn't really helping here either. Buffalo has gone through how many coaches? What's that done for them? How about the Oilers when they didn't make the playoffs for a decade? Anyone can hire and fire but building culture in the room is a lot harder than that.
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2 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:
It was this post on Twitter from after the Hawks practice on November 21st. He was a surprise healthy scratch the following day (11/22) against Columbus, and then everything unraveled after that.
Corey while receiving passes from Bedard "You know you were supposed to be a duck right?
Bedard "what?"
Corey "Yeah this team sucks and your never going to win a cup here!"
Bedard *upset*
Bedard to coach "Corey said we're never winning the cup. It's that true? I don't want my career to go down the drain and end up like Connor in a dumpster fire."
Coach "What? This is very hostile coming from Corey! We need to get this guy out of here. He's hurting our feelings!"
At least that's how it should have gone down....
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Didn't someone post about perry and Bedard at practice firing pucks after the incident occurred? Or was that before the incident?
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40 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
There's definitely still a market for him. He can play all three forward positions and he's one of the team leaders in PK TOI. Veteran guy. Utility player. Still plays a simple game and posts good give-away/take-away counting stats. Takes face-offs. He's playing below the standards that we expect from him, but I have to believe that from an outsider's perspective his overall status would be aided by the fact that our most skilled forwards (Zegras and Terry) have also failed to post good offensive numbers, so an outsider could just see his poor offensive totals (actually not that poor for a 3rd liner who often plays with Silfverberg and Jones) as being a systemic problem with the Ducks offense overall and not really just a Henrique problem.
I think the bolded needs to be addressed more. I don't think it's a coincidence that all our top players are struggling this year, besides the second line. It has to do something with the systems that are being implemented. Terry has been lost. Zegras was good defensively but was lost offensively. Henrique lost. Second line even looked lost at times. Killorn looks lost. To me that's more than a player issue on any one person and more of a coaching/system issue. I'm not saying what Cronin is trying to do is bad it's just not meshing well with the players. Maybe you continue to just hack away at the system or maybe just let up a little and give the guys the space they need and tweak the system a bit. Some of these players aren't even going to be on the team by the end of the year. I think the systems should be implemented in parts so everyone grows into them and not just you do this and that's it kind of approach because it's not working. It seemed to be for a while but we've fallen back down to earth and gotten away from the things that made us successful. Maybe it's tiring everyone out faster too as some have mentioned. Whatever it is Cronin needs to get this group back on track before the room really becomes lost.
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Cronin is only a quarter of the way through his FIRST season. AND we're also rebuilding. You guys need to calm down lol
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12 minutes ago, Belarus said:
Which one, Jones or Silfverberg?
No he's talking about McT. Then there's also Strome not mentioned in the 12.
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I'm thankful for the ignore feature. So peaceful ✌️.
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Verbeek = Worst GM in Ducks History
in Anaheim Ducks
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I've defended both. I've said it already in some topics but I agree, we should trade Gibson while there's possible demand from teams and his numbers haven't taken a nose dive with the way the team is playing. Fowler hasn't been that great but I fear our defense is going to completely fall apart of he's moved and we'll probably end up worse that last year. Trade Gibson and get someone more competent than Stalock for a year or two until Dostal is really ready. Doesn't have to be a true #1, we're not going to compete for the Cup right now anyway, just someone able to hold the fort until Dostal is ready.