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18 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
With the absolute pillaring of Eakins, I think most fans are very aware of how important Beeker's coaching hire will. I've said it's the biggest decision that he has to make in the laundry list of decisions coming up this summer. That said, do you think it is easier to get a good capable coach or the potential talent that picks 1-4 this year have? I think the ladder is much, much harder to get.
IMO, it's completely rational and justified for fans to be upset at the Ducks getting meaningless points that will prevent them from getting a desperately needed stud player who can be a major part of making this team not suck any longer than it has to. We want the suffering of watching this team to be worth it and it's not going to be. Chicago, Arizona, San Jose, Columbus, et. fans are stoked when we win and when their teams lose and vice versa for us. This team isn't close to tanking the way that other teams are and is just straight terrible (historically bad actually). What ever stretch of success they have right now isn't something that will carry over to next season either. Beating absolute garbage teams and having John Gibson make 40 or 50 saves almost every night to steal points shouldn't inspire long lasting confidence.
The Ducks had four months to show that they aren't terrible, win games and failed to do so while also somehow still screwing up their draft hopes. We suck and winning and suck at sucking at the worst possibly time. It sucks.
Absolutely agree. 100%
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8 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:
McGinn wasn't in the Klingberg trade, he was in the Kulikov trade but that's beside the point. If Klingberg wasn't traded then Ducks fans would be mad. Now Ducks fans are mad because he was and the return was less than stellar.
There was a lot of buzz around Klingberg being traded to Edmonton at one point but it could only be done after Jan 1st. If Verbeek could have traded him back in January, he should have. If he couldn't then the return he got was the best anyone was willing to pay.
I'm happy that we traded him for something but everything we've done so far has been a bit underwhelming wouldn't you agree? It just seems like everything is done last minute like there isn't much of a plan. If the plan was to wing it then we're doing a good job. PV can't control how the players are playing but still that's a pretty low return considering that Klingberg just a year ago would have gotten much much more. A players value doesn't just tank that bad after one bad season and it's obvious that he's playing on a less than stellar team. I mean there's a lot of factors but whatever I guess we at least got something for him. But I'm not impressed.
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What makes this even worse is when you start realizing that we could have been retaining cap as a third party to get picks and instead we do nothing with that either. Great job 👏 👍 👌
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What a load of garbage this tdl was. A huge letdown in an already garbage season. The Eakins signing just went from bad to terrible! We couldn't even get good value out of one of the top D last off season. Almost everyone on the team sucks. I knew bringing back Eakins was a horrible idea. Everyone's value tanked and now he's trying to play us out of the bottom three. If we don't get one of the top 4 picks then this season is going to be the biggest fail ever! I'm honestly not impressed with what PV has done over the course of a year. I'm willing to still give him time but I agree with whoever mentioned that BM got a better return for Grant. BM wasn't great and his trades were also not great but hopefully PV isn't going to continue like this and be even worse than Bob.
If Verbeek is even considering bringing Eakins back, fire him now before he turns us into the next Buffalo! I don't want to see him behind the bench for another game...
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10 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
He never had a NHL contract with the Ducks. Cant play on the main roster without one and I believe the Ducks had the max allowable contracts. Still only has a minor league contract.
I know he only had a minor league one. We also picked up guys off waivers so we could have signed him to a two way contract and brought him up before doing any of that. It's just kind of weird that we didn't really allow guys opportunities when we were really bad.
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1 hour ago, tommer-1 said:
That's the trick. Is the next coach "The Guy"? Or will he just be marking time?
And if he's not "The Guy", would you rather pick 1-6 again in the draft next season or 11-15?
I'd rather we never mention that Eakins ever coached this team. In fact delete all the files and burn the papers on these past few seasons for good measure. Ikea doesn't have enough furniture if he's brought back...
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52 minutes ago, FanSince1993 said:
Bravo, Verbeek, Bravo. Parade on Katella next summer?
Yes and probably for the next decade. Solid.
But I hope it was to give Grimaldi a chance at the playoffs. I still don't understand why we didn't at least give him a chance on the main roster this year. He couldn't be any worse than what we were icing anyway.
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32 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
The Klingberg/Kulikov returns aren’t going to be much better lol
Alright guys no need to worry we've made our big move lol
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28 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Shore thing 👍🏻
That shore would be awful.
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1 hour ago, Jasoaks said:
i thought it was interesting that Shatt was included in the NHLPA's search for a new executive director. I think that speaks really highly for how he is regarded around the league as far as leadership and in the locker room. This makes me feel even more confident that he is probably extended for a few more seasons...'cause yeah, no way any team interested in winning the cup is trading for him lol
Shatty I believe is actually one of the core members of the nhlpa representing the players. He probably has a career in some kind of management position after.
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1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Hey, Verbeek caught on!!!
That Rockstar he opened a few days ago finally kicked in lol
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9 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Ducks really getting lapped by teams in their own state.
LA has a shot at the conference final now.
If one of Klingberg, kulikov or shatty aren't moved tomorrow this tdl will probably be a huge fail. I better see them out of tomorrow's game for trade protection reasons at the very least.
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24 minutes ago, DucksFan_08 said:
Man the leafs are really gearing up for the playoffs and seem desparate to dump the ´too soft for the playoffs´ stigma. While the moves make sense isn´t it a lot for team chemistry? Or is that overrated?
I think that it definitely can be a lot. THG mentioned that it usually takes guys months to gel. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but there was a year where Bob decided to trade out like a bunch of guys and we had a lot of turnover. I felt like it was too much change because the team didn't have any chemistry and it's like they forgot how to play (like every ducks team since what 2016? Lol). It can be a dangerous thing to play with chemistry right before the playoffs. Pronger mentioned something like this as well in his tweets....well he also said the 2007 cup winning ducks team was the best one he's ever played on ftw!!!!
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I'm starting to get the feeling that we're just holding onto them for too long. Teams have already made their big moves. I think maybe PV might have been trying to hold them to get more value but in this case the market just blew up and a lot of the major players already made their big moves. Maybe we're panicking too early though but so far I'm looking at these moves and wondering why PV hasn't been more active. Like ok if we don't trade out guys which means we don't retain salary why weren't we trying to broker deals for picks? There's still a few days but seeing teams make their moves early leaving even less teams with cap space just makes it seem like we're honestly doing nothing, yet again. Honestly just trade out the guys for whatever you can get at this point. No sense in trying to play hardball with assets that don't really move the needle.
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Better than nothing that's for sure!
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6 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:
If Klingberg doesn't get traded by March 3rd, Verbeek should be fired on March 4th. You can't spend $7M on a 1-year UFA and get nothing for him at the deadline.
As far as making him cheap enough to move, the ace in Verbeek's back pocket may be John Moore. If you cut Klingberg's cap hit in half ($3.5M) and the add Moore's $2.75M, which can immediately be put on LTIR, then Klingberg effectively adds only $750K to another team's cap. Verbeek could even take another contract back and give the acquiring team a psuedo-credit. I keep mentioning Tampa as a potential destination since they really need a bottom-pair RHD (and I still think they make the most sense) and if you add John Moore's contract to the trade idea I put forth earlier it looks like this: Klingberg ($3.5M) + John Moore ($2.75M) <--> Philippe Myers ($1.425M counting since he's currently buried) + 3rd (2024) + Isaac Howard (rights). In that scenario, Tampa gets Klingberg and actually gains about $675K in cap space after putting Moore on LTIR.
That's actually a real good idea. I'm not saying to trade him to Tampa but we wouldn't even need a third team. He'd be crazy cheap. I'm not sure why this hasn't been brought up in rumors. Basically any team would be able to fit that kind of cap hit. I've been thinking, would Dallas make sense? I mean he already knows their system and I'm sure Dallas could find a way to fit that kind of cap hit with LTIR contact. The only issue would be if they have any plans to sign him past this season, which I'm not sure of, and if not he would be a pure rental for them. Didn't they offer him a contract and he turned it down? Maybe he comes to realize that he's asking too much and agrees to sign with them? Just speculation on my part.
But I would think PV at least entertains that idea of using the LTIR contract because that's a pretty good use of cap.
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24 minutes ago, gilligoos said:
Expect Draft picks, salary retention, bottom 6 roster players, and mid-tiered prospects. Anything more than that is unlikely. Ducks are not in the position to attain quality players who can contribute, and I doubt that's Verbeeks direction. He's rebuilding. I would be in the position to want to finish bottom 2. Once you draft Bedard or Fantili, sign Z/Drysdale/Terry, then you will see more impactful moves being made. But between now and then, don't expect much.
Agree. Offseason is when we should target players not the deadline. It would make no sense right now.
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9 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said:
I know there are, somehow, people around who still think Gibson's a bum. And there's no doubt he's had some off games. But here's some context:
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Gibson has 342 saves against 5-on-5 high-danger shots this year (shots from the circles in). The next highest goalie (Sorokin) has 268.
- The distance between Gibson at 1st on that list and Sorokin at 2nd is roughly the same as the distance between Sorokin and Jacob Markstrom, who is 17th.
- John Gibson has faced the most expected goals against and has faced shots from the closest average distance to the goal.
- John Gibson has faced 108 more shots than Hellebuyck, the next busiest goalie, despite playing almost 300 fewer minutes.
If you're complaining about Gibson's performance, it would be like if you got trapped in your office everyday with a dozen angry chimpanzees and then your boss criticized your work quality. It's impossible to expect Gibson to do more than he's done given the workload he's facing. Literally no goalie ever has.
That's actually insane. Also facing 50+ shots a game is like playing 2 normal games where the average would be around 25-30 shots against. Gibson isn't just playing a lot he's literally playing two games in one. PV absolutely HAS to address this issue next year. It doesn't matter if Vasy was in net, no goalie can sustain that many shots (and like you posted high danger ones at that) and come out with good numbers. What are we expecting here? Gibson is a very good goaltender, he just isn't able to perform like one because he has no support from his defense. If we think Lindholm is so much better after he left to Boston imagine what Gibson could do with a competent defense. Whatever we get back in a trade could absolutely pale in comparison to what he could do and could probably instantly put the GM in the hot seat. I'm not saying he's always on top of his game but you can still see how good of a tender he is on this garbage team.
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Gibson has 342 saves against 5-on-5 high-danger shots this year (shots from the circles in). The next highest goalie (Sorokin) has 268.
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19 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
All depends on the player/pick. Gurianov and Puljujarvi are RFAs after this season like Comtois. Vrana/Kapanen both have another year on their contracts at 5.25 mil and 3.2 mil, respectively. I’m asking for a first for Vrana to take on his entire cap hit.
I’d do a Comtois - Gurianov swap. For a scenery change. Gurianov has 2 goals and 7 assists in 42 games this year. Any GM offering a 1st rounder for him should be should fired on the spot.
Interesting proposal. Comtois has 5 goals 5 assists this year in 45 games. Overall career wise Gurianov has the better record but he's struggling this year. I'm not sure where Gurianov plays in the lineup either but I think it would be an interesting swap. I think we'd have to add a pick though because of their overall records. 5th or 6th? I would be down for that.
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52 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:
Orlov is not very big but he's a good all-around defenseman who can play in most situations. He also turns 32 this summer though. He might make some sense in Anaheim if it's on a shorter deal (2 years?), but I doubt that's what he's looking for. I think Orlov gets a 3+ year contract somewhere else. Maybe even back with the Caps, which is the team that drafted him and where he's spent his whole career.
I think THG mentioned that the caps and Orlov were pretty far apart in terms of resigning him which is why he was traded. But who knows maybe he circles back to them.
There has been a few injuries to players on other teams so I'm hopeful that works in our favor but the lack of rumors about the ducks makes me feel uneasy. This could end up not being a very good deadline for the ducks. Or at least not what we hoped for but we're what just over a week and there doesn't seem to be any real discussions.
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3 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
Good for you. Hope to see the losing streak ends. The other 99.9% of us will continue to pray it continues. This team is going nowhere. Even if they win every single game for the rest of the year they will still miss the playoffs. You want this team to improve faster, then join the rest of us hoping for them to lose out. Finishing last guarantees the Ducks pick no worse then 3rd overall and those top 3 picks can all be game changing players. Get one of them and this roster inproves. We will not see the Ducks add anyone good at the trade deadline, just sell off their assets and acquire picks. This season was lost long ago, now it's just a question of how much worse will it be.
I also see this season as a lost one but I can't get behind the statement that he needs to "join us". We are all fans of this team, every opinion on what direction the team should go is based off good intentions whether we all believe that or not. There is no 'right way' of thinking here. Moose has good intentions and wants to see this team win, so does everyone else. Many of the GMs in the league don't have one particular way of doing things does either. Some go scorched earth and end up like Buffalo others though have also gotten lucky in drafting players. Though given the circumstances drafting in the top 3 is the best move and 'tanking' is one way to get there. But there's also a lot of luck involved, and of course good scouting. Good players can be found throughout the draft and you don't have to win on order to get a gem. But a team that ends up 25th in the league can also still win the number 1 or 2 overall pick.
All this is a long way of saying, we really don't know what the correct move is. Hindsight will be 20/20 whether a player becomes McDavid or Yakupov (to an extent). I think getting a top 3 pick is the best. Moose and maybe others don't subscribe to that, so what? He's still a Ducks fan and he doesn't have to accept losing as a means to rebuild. Honestly, I also don't like losing but I've kind of accepted that this season.
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1 hour ago, Gorbachav55 said:
I certainly agree with you there - the league isn't rigging anything. Possibly I'm just bracing myself for the inevitability that no matter where we land, we're not getting Bedard. The last place team could have won the lottery 700 times in a row, but as soon as the Ducks finish last, they're not winning it.
🤣 that's just how it always works! We just can't have nice things.
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9 minutes ago, saskduckfan said:
They were just learning seasons though.
Learning to lose anyway possible 🤣🤣
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25 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said:
There are two numbers that matter: 25.5% and 100%.
If the Ducks finish last, they have a 25.5% chance of getting Bedard.
If the Ducks finish last, they have a 100% chance of getting a top-3 pick.
The other numbers might not lie, but I don't think they're really telling the truth either. It's irrelevant how much better a chance the last place team has compared to the 2nd to last place team.
Maybe. I'm not trying to dispute the odds. Rather what I wanted to do was look at how often the last place team actually picked first overall. It was just something I wanted to look at. Also, I think this kind of goes to show that the league isn't rigging anything. We'd see way more variation than the team with the best odds winning the draft.... other than perhaps 2005
and maybe 2007 when the hawks won. Besides that I don't really see anything where the league seems to be favoring particular teams.
and maybe 2007 when the hawks won. Besides that I don't really see anything where the league seems to be favoring particular teams.
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I would absolutely draft michkov in that range. Timeline wouldn't matter at that point. 3 years out or not you gotta take bpa.