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2 hours ago, FanSince1993 said:
Agree with most of what you said, except:
1) Fowler and Gibson contracts are not tradeable, so we'll enjoy watching them for the next 4 seasons.
2) Why would you even consider trading Terry or Dostal, they are the reason our team is slightly better than AHL team. Unless Terry demands this summer some crazy $10 mil per season or something like this.
3) Rico, Silfv, Strome, Vatrano, Megna, Leason, White, Lundy may not attract any interest at all or very little interest.
What? The guy has played a total of 4 games. Granted we have two BACK TO BACK (yeah!) wins but I wouldn't say he's the reason why we're not AHL caliber. The reason we are perceived to be ahl is because of Eakins. Tommer mentioned Henrique, he's actually a good example of someone who is playing recently well despite our coach. I'd agree with others that our roster as a whole shouldn't be this bad. We're just watching, quite possibly, the worst nhl HC in history.
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6 hours ago, FanSince1993 said:
Lukas Dostal may hurt our chances to get #1 or #2 overall draft pick. He will be our starting goaltender next season, but for now, it's time to return our "legend" back to the net, LOL
I think we will trade Stolarz around the deadline. Definitely looks like Dostal may end up in the lineup full time next year. He looks promising. Next year depending on how Gibson does we may see a 50-50 split even. I don't think we're going to trade Gibby yet.
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12 hours ago, Jasoaks said:
kinda fun to look back at this thread as it started 8 years ago lol but updating this.....
Age 33:
5051Age 34:
4548 (not even a full season...)Age 35:
4324 (played 45 games)Age 36:
3650 (haha)Age 37:
3020 (currently)...and I think he adds at least another 25 this seasons for a total of 45 putting him at 825....
meaning for his final 3 seasons of his current contract he'd have to average at least 24 goals / season....while he's getting up there in age. I think he absolutely does this. And it's gonna be amazing!!
That's pretty interesting. He's gotten more than what was predicted except for one year and that was a shortened season too. He's still playing and scoring at an elite level. I hope he actually has more 50+ seasons, that would be even cooler.
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1 hour ago, FanSince1993 said:
Welcome to the good memories...
Just goes to show that a team that plays hard and is coached the right way can win seemingly better opponents. It's also why the playoffs are so great. Season records don't matter much anymore, everyone is even and anything can happen.
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56 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
They aren't driving Dehydrated Donkey Dung right now. You can't go ghost for 5 straight games and be "The Man".
I'm not saying they won't get there one day (although, if Eakins was their forever coach, I might say they won't). I'm just saying it's not like they are balling out and the rest of the guys are letting them down. They are getting just as worked over as the rest of the team.
If they were scoreless and playing monster defense and just possessing the puck and unlucky or whatever, that might be one thing. But that is DEFINITELY not what is going on, especially with Z and McT.
Well if McDavid were to have a bad 5 game stretch (which every player has had) do you also say he's no longer "the man"? I'm talking about over the course of the whole season that Z and Terry are our drivers of offense. When you have only one line going and guys are just not feeling it for whatever reason it's easy to see big slumps. They'll be fine. What's not ok is our team getting stood up at the Senators blue line and getting outworked. You could see Terry and Z battling to get into the offensive zone, trying to establish possession. On our blue line we're drinking coffee and donuts and inviting the other team to join us in a good time. We have no structure. We fall apart at the first signs of adversity. It's become obvious that whatever goalie we put it is going to get blown up. No support in the d zone. No jumping to loose pucks. We're terrible. RC could do a better job with this roster probably and he was bad.
I just don't support singling out our top players and saying their the problem. The coach is the problem and it's obvious as day. There's really no way of getting around it. I agree with others though that the guys brought in to replace those lost at the TDL are not getting the job done either. This whole season has become a disaster. I'm honestly upset but I'm on the tank wagon reluctantly but admittedly we need another high pick.
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4 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
Terry and Zegras are starting to become invisible. Last 5 games: Terry, 0G, 1A. Zegras, 1G, 0A.
McTavish has sparked a little lately, but still. Last 5 games, 0G, 1A.
So, last 5 games, your three future stud scoring F's? 15 man games, 1G, 2A.
Drysdale gets an incomplete.
Jones, Comtois, Lundestrom. All failures.
NONE of these guys look like players a team can lean on right now. Not one.
I posted before seeing this. Sure they've not had the scoring lately but we're just completely collapsing against the worst teams in the league. Ottawa for example was not just bad luck but we got dominated by one of the worst teams in the league. The sharks, again dominated. How does that even happen? Toronto, that's fine their a top team but losing in really bad fashion to the worst teams is what's unforgivable for me.
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11 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
Yeah, they're going to be terrible again next season - because Zegras, McTavish, Terry, and Drysdale aren't magically going to turn into players that can carry a team. Aren't this season, won't next season. But hopefully they get a coach who can coach and they are competitive.
Someone who can get them to want to play to win, instead of just wanting to win.
That's not true. McT is a rookie and Drys is injured so they don't count. Z and Terry are the ONLY ones driving offense for us right now. They just have terrible systems and no support. We're bad but I still think we're just that much worse with Eakins. Get someone competent to coach and I think we see a totally different team.
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3 hours ago, Sexlaf15 said:
Him and McT... I'm dreaming....
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1 hour ago, HockeyIzCool said:
Regardless, it was selfish. He handicapped his team by the fact he was not able to play in any Canada games. And nobody said the vaccine would prevent you from getting Covid. But it certainly minimized symptoms and longevity if you did catch it. When you are the only player in the entire league to refuse, it doesn't make you smart. It makes you an egotistical Ass.
And you show your intelligence by calling the Covid pandemic "hysteria." Plenty of unvaccinated people died from Covid, because they thought the same. But I guess since he didn't, and obviously you didn't, I guess it was all a great big hoax, and the vaccines were as well. LOL.
I don't want to get into all this either but while this statement is true there were also vaccinated people who still died regardless of they took the vaccine or not. It obviously helped a lot of people but was never 100%. And by the way, it's easy to talk about it now but during those times there was a lot of conflicting data. As others pointed out that the president and the cdc mentioned that you wouldn't get Covid after the vaccine and yet people still did. I don't know about you but when high ranking officials say one thing and it's not true I don't see why people wouldn't be skeptical.
But again, I'm tired of all this too so that's my two cents and I'm gone!
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1 minute ago, Sexlaf15 said:
He’s terrible analytically beside having a good shot. I wouldn’t hate taking a swing at a steep bargain
But he's close to a PPG player. I don't think we have to have everybody be a two way forward.
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What do you think it would take to get Brock Boeser out of Vancouver? He's very young, only 25, and still has some really good years ahead of him. He's a RW. 6.65 cap hit for two more seasons after this one. I don't really know what they currently need though.
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5 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
He looked fantastic on the GWG today...
Hah well that's just how the ducks season has gone lol.
I actually posted because I was surprised that he was that high in points on the team when he started off real slow. But the whole team in general just isn't clicking. I heard THG mention that it takes players about 6 months to get acclimated with a new team. Maybe that's what's happening with some of these new players idk.
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Fowler now tied for 3rd in scoring on the team with 13 pts. Klingberg has 8.
Fowler > Klingberg
He started off slow but the dude is playing 25+ min a night.
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2 hours ago, Belarus said:
I was going to start a new thread just for Gibson, but decided to resurrect this thread instead.
A quote from NHL.com today: "Gibson, who leads the NHL with 603 saves this season, has faced at least 40 shots in a game seven times this season, the most among all goaltenders."
Three questions:
1 - Any goaltender will look bad on a lousy team. How well would Gibson do on a team who's top ten in the standings?
2 - Do you think Gibson is sick of losing and wants a trade, and/or are the Ducks looking to trade him?
3 - How would you rate Gibson among all the Ducks goaltenders since 1993? The best? Top three? Top ten? Bottom half? Top half?
1)I think he definitely could be top 5-10.
2)Nobody likes losing. I came across a comment on YouTube (so take that for what it's worth) that the guy worked with Gibsons father in law. And his FIL mentioned that Gibson doesn't want to be traded and really loves living in SoCal. And I could really see that being true.
3) For me Giggy, Gibson and Hebert (though I could switch Gibby and Guy easy)
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3 hours ago, HockeyIzCool said:
I really don't want them to fire Eakins at this point. They knew how awful he was when they picked up his option for this season. I say, give him the Roy treatment. Leave him in for 9 goals. It's not like Eakins is going to demand a trade. Who is going to hire him after the disastrous records with 2 clubs? His NHL career is done come April.
Stay the course. Bank those Regulation Losses, and minimize the OT Losses. And as much as possible, avoid Wins that gain you 2 standings points. Dig that big hole before the All Star Break, to give yourself a shot at the worst record in the league, to maximize chances of landing the #1 pick.
Honestly, between now and the start of next season, the team needs to be stripped down to a pair of socks. There are maybe 5 players worth holding onto. Trade Gibson, so you don't lose him for nothing. He's the only tradable player that is expendable. I'd also say to use some of that cap space to sign a UFA that people have heard of, but it looks like the next batch of UFA's is nothing worth getting excited over. Perhaps we'll be able to afford one for a change.
I don't think this is true. He's going to get another chance I think, just not anytime soon. Bowness was awful and he's gotten other chances. The league likes to recycle coaches. Even if his record is poor there might be teams down the road that saw him have decent stretches. Who knows, maybe with the right mix of players Eakins might make the playoffs.
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20 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
I just don’t see any scenario where a team is trading a top-5 pick. That never happens in the league anymore. Was the last time it happened in 1999 so Vancouver could get both Sedins?
I would be because I can’t see the justification for passing up the best prospect since McDavid. If we get 2OA then I’m celebrating getting Fantilli but Bedard is in his own league right now imo. Canada is going to have both on their WJC team which is just cruelly unfair.
To be honest I'm not really sure about any of the prospects. Is this like the McDavid and Eichel situation?
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11 hours ago, saskduckfan said:
Two big reasons why my opinion was a tank season, the Klingberg signing and how that contract was made with the intention to trade him for assets (smart thinking in my opinion) and Eakins still being coach. 1 regulation win all season and you still don't fire this guy. Even last year after the trade deadline, 11 straight loses and lots of those games the weren't even close. Eakins record speaks for itself. He should be out of a job, but what they want to accomplish is being done. Eakins wont be fired at all as he gives them the best chances not to succeed. 1 regulation win, constantly being outshot by double what you put on net, etc. There are countless reasons to fire him. I don't buy any of this "wait and see and evaluate" comments. That's just politically saying the right things. The Ducks are doing exactly what they want to accomplish and that's not win. Going into the season with this roster there was zero chance they would be competing for anything other then the basement. No solid defense and the majority of the forwards being bottom 6 players. Not sure how this team was constructed helps the defensive void or offensive void.
You can't tell me that Verbeek really thought Vatrano, Strome, Gawdin, Klingberg, Juoveli, Kulikov were going to turn this team into any kind of competitive team for a playoff spot. Not one of those players lives up to Rakell, Lindholm, or Manson. And Kulikov we traded for, ONLY because he is in the final year of his contract and we can flip him again.
Currently on a list of all time worst NHL teams by winning percentage, this Ducks team sits in 47th place. The Ducks will finish the season worse then the 2020 Red Wings 17-49-5 at this pace.
I completely agree he should have been let go last year. But I still disagree on the tank. The one year deals made were placeholders more than anything with the added bonus of picks at the deadline. I never looked at those guys as being tank commanders. But hey until PV doesn't actually say it himself we can disagree it one way or the other.
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I think some people might be over thinking the process. Sure we lost some good players at the deadline but we also picked up some decent guys, Klingberg being one of them. Eakins had a decent first half of the season last year, there's no real reason why PV didn't think he might be able to replicate that. Some of the signings aren't panning out as we'd hoped. Just because Klingberg wanted to sign a one year with the ability to be traded doesn't necessarily imply that PV wanted to tank. He just didn't want to sign in Anaheim and when we became the only place willing to sign him to the $ he didn't really see many options. PV probably saw this and waited, otherwise we HAD to sign someone big to reach the cap floor. Now we're somehow saying that it was to tank. It wasn't. There were reasons why PV thought we might be .500 team and I think they seemed like legitimate reasons. That it hasn't worked out the way he planned could be seen ahead of time though. I thought we made the mistake of keeping Eakins because his track record was bad and his run at the beginning of last season not withstanding. But there were still reasons why PV decided to roll the dice and I can understand him from that perspective, even though I didn't agree with it before and it is what it is now.
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10 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
So, on todays' Ducks podcast, Verbeek says, "I thought we would be at or near .500, it's kinda been disappointing." Which is EXACTLY what I thought, and EXACTLY what I thought his take on this team was in late September. Not a playoff team, maybe pushing some cusp teams, but not an absolute DOORMAT.
But he is taking the year to evaluate the coaches and players.
Connor Bedard is not walking through that door to save you, Pat.
This just confirms my thoughts on the situation. It's why I think we definitely were not tanking this season and Eakins didn't stay to tank either. Zegras was mentioned by someone as not trying in the shootout, so he's tanking? Zegras is about to get a huge contract, why would he even tank? PV misplayed his cards and thought we would be better. That's fine. I'm glad he's admitting this team isn't what he had planned. We're not going to turn this team around in one season but I still think it's realistic to see a significant step and be much higher in the standings next season if we 1) get rid of the current coaching staff 2) continue signing good contracts in ufa hopefully replacing those leaving at the deadline for better players. To me though #1 is the highest priority. Eakins just isn't working and he's the weakest link on this team. It's not Gibson, Klingberg, Shattenkirk, Grant,etc it's the coaching staff. The way they utilize players and systems is just awful. Hopefully we'll be able to draft a cornerstone player and finally move up. Next offseason is when we should make our biggest moves and we'll take a huge step towards becoming a playoff team. Next year is playoffs, or at least very very close, or bust. If we're horrible next year we're 100% headed towards Buffalo- west.
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3 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
That's the part I don't get, because history does not point to that. History tells us that NHL teams coached by Dallas Eakins suck HARD. And I don't think anyone can say with a straight face, "Well, the team sucks balls, but our young guys are really developing."
Really? Developing what, exactly?
That's just it we're not really developing anyone like this. I mean I guess you could say McT is but I think that's just more so because McT is just that good and despite Eakins using him this way he still shines.
As far as Eakins being .500 I've mentioned it before that I didn't think he was but I think PV and others were hoping that he could make that jump. Dallas will get another chance eventually with another team but really I think he's either better suited for the ahl or as an assistant. He's clearly in over his head.
As for what to expect with a new coach I guess it depends on what systems will be implemented. If he's offensive minded I could see us in the 80-90 point range. If it's more defense minded then maybe 75-85. But that would also have to depend on the players that replace those that leave. But I think if we had someone like say Trotz for this season I think you could argue we'd have maybe 3 more wins for an 8-10-1 record. I think that wouldn't be crazy to think this team could do that or even better.
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6 hours ago, DT2008 said:
You back up the armored truck and dump a load of cash at Trotz. If you want to send a message to the team and fans, that’s the move. Promoting an assistant coach who is either responsible for the current power play or defensive line changes means you will get the same product. Bringing in an AHL coach from a mediocre SD team is even worse.
I'm all for a change at coach and I think Trotz would be miles ahead of Eakins but I think I'd rather see if someone else is better suited for this team. We don't really know who's out there and who might be let go. I'm gonna trust that PV is going to make the right call and not hire and commit to a coach because Eakins is so bad. As an interim I'm 100% down with just about anybody but long term I'd not like us to commit like that until we have more candidates to choose from. Because guys can't just leave their current teams mid season so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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1 hour ago, tommer-1 said:
So he thought a coach who has NEVER been able to get NHL teams to get W's was gonna do that this season, with the moves he made for players?
Dallas Eakins' teams have never even sniffed the playoffs during his career.
2013/14 - EDM - 7th in the Pacific, 67 points in 82 games
2014/15 - EDM - 7-19-5 in 31 games, Fired
2019/20 - ANA - 6th in the Pacific, 67 points in 71 games
2020/21 - ANA - 8th in the West, 43 points in 56 games
2021/22 - ANA - 7th in the Pacific, 76 points in 82 games
2022/23 - so far, HISTORICALLY inept
Then why hasn't he fired him? The only reason I can think, and the only reason Eakins got the one year, was a stealth tank. And I think that has even gone sideways, because it's not like they are pretending to be terrible. They just are.
I think the joke is on us. Hopefully it's a small early step in a master plan.
No I think his plan was for him to have some kind of mid level success. Not playoffs success but not worse than last year. Maybe about the same as last year or if everything worked out just a little better. I don't think the plan was to stealth tank this season. Basically I think he just wanted to punt the football down the road a little. Kind of wash this season away and be even Steven. The kids would be another year better, we shed more contacts of dead weight, and still get a good pick. That's what the plan seemed to be. I don't think he actively wanted the team to be worse which is why he said we're in the middle of a rebuild. And that would have made sense. We were never going to be good enough and PV knew this. But he also thought Eakins could hold it together another year and prevent what's happening now. We were supposed to be just below a .500 team and get another top 10 pick. Instead were in the running for Bedard but it was never the intention.
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3 hours ago, tommer-1 said:
I'm just saying if his (Eakins') job was to improve the play of the players, he's useless.
That's the debate. Why bring him back? Some say it wasn't really to "be successful" as a team this year, more about "helping players get better".
The only thing apparent right now was that they wanted him back so they would get a really high draft pick. It's the only thing that makes sense looking at it IN HINDSIGHT.
But in the summer, and to start the season, it was to take steps forward to be better, as players and as a team.
And on both counts, they have regressed, which is really saying something when it comes to team performance, because they have been really bad during his tenure.
Defense - Really bad
Offense - Really bad
Goaltending - Really bad
Penalty Kill - Really bad
Power Play - Really bad
Not sure any individual can be "growing their game" under those team conditions.
As for GMPV, good leaders and managers recognize their mistakes and get busy fixing them. Everybody makes them. The key is to not let them linger.
Generally I agree here but the bolded is a little much. I don't think his intention was to ever be this bad and basically tank for a high draft pick. We had some really big holes after the deadline and I think we did ok in plugging them. Not great but ok. But I think PV didn't expect this team to just fall apart this badly. Sure there were going to be some growing pains but not like this. Perhaps he regrets taking the extra year at this point but you can't change the past so we just roll with the punches now. Try to not hurt the development of the young guys. Have them take this as a learning experience and hope that the guys don't just up and quit on the coach. I think that's become the plan. Klingberg isn't really working out either. So there were a lot of variables to start the season and basically what could have gone wrong, has gone wrong. But there was never that intention to tank like this. Maybe still get a top 10 pick but not be in the running for the lottery. If the players revolt, he's going to have to pull the plug on Eakins but I think he's hoping to push that off as long as possible now. Maybe we give one of the assistants the interim position but what's going to change? Nothing really. Let's just hope the players stick with it and not demand to leave. Terry had been mentioned before as possibly wanting a trade a few years back. Let's just hope he doesn't walk into the office tomorrow and demand something like that. As a Ducks fan I think this has to be a new low.
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Yeah I'm not too optimistic that we win 5 times, let alone in regulation. I'm going to say that we might be able to scrape out 2 maybe 3 regulation wins. The way things are going we might be setting some records here.
The Tankathon Thread
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It's really not about where you draft but after results are in where those players end up in a redraft. Though it obviously helps to draft in the top 3 because that's your best chance to get those to quality players. In a redraft does Zegras end up 9th? No. He's higher so that means we stole that top pick in a way. Redraft the 2003 draft and Getzy and Perry are likely in the top 10. That's part of the reason why we won the cup and not because we drafted Bobby Ryan 2nd overall. It's the the place you draft more than where the players end up overall. Tampa won drafts with Kucherov and Vasy among others. Edmonton lost because they drafted Yakupov who ended up being a bust despite being highly rated (at the time). It's why it's possible to "win" a drafted even if you drafted say 15th OA.