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8 minutes ago, Gorbachav55 said:
Makes sense - the last year of his deal, a bigger body who's a penalty killer, and can be the SAH partner to a guy like Drysdale. I'm good with this, depending on what the full deal was. Did we give up anything of value?
No it looks like future considerations.
I thought we might get another d guy because we're pretty thin on the blue line. I think we might be set to start the season now.
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- Who will be Drysdale's defense partner to begin the season? I think it's going to be Fowler. He's usually the guy they go to for covering the mistakes of other guys defensively.
- Does McTavish make the roster as a center or a wing? Is there any chance he doesn't stick in the NHL? Wing. I think he's going to stick unless he has a horrible camp but I don't it.
- How many games does Zellweger play with the Ducks this season? Zero? Between zero and 10? More than 10? I think he'll get the nine games and get sent back to juniors.
- What under-25 player (non-stars only, so no Zegras or Drysdale or McTavish) would you most like to see take a major step forward and contribute to the NHL team? There have been a lot of good suggestions from others on here but I'm still hoping for Comtois and Jones to take the next steps.
- Does Eakins last the entire season as coach? I'm going with the unpopular opinion that he's not going to last the entire season. He's one of my least favorite coaches that the Ducks have ever had. I think we're going to seriously struggle out the gate and that won't bode well with the team. I say we get the pitchforks out by Thanksgiving.
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8 hours ago, Gorbachav55 said:
I'm a bit more optimistic than this, albeit not much (depending on how you define "optimism" for this season, but in this case, I'm defining it as hoping for as many points as possible). I think the Ducks are better than San Jose and Montreal. I also think they're better than Philly, who really belongs in the lower tier, in my opinion. Philly is not Chicago/Arizona bad, but they're really, really bad. I think they're more likely to get a top five pick than any team outside of Chicazona.
So I'd go:
- Garbage: Chicago, Arizona
- Really Bad: Philly, San Jose, Montreal
- Pretty bad: Seattle, Buffalo, Anaheim, New Jersey
- Below Average: Detroit, Ottawa, Islanders, Winnipeg
I think the Ducks end up in a similar place they did this year. They'll get somewhere in the 72 - 79 point range, finish 6th in the division (with a chance to be lower if Seattle takes a big step forward). The defense is poor but has some upside. The offense should be improved, but probably not by leaps and bounds. The coaching is still...Eakins. I think the Ducks end up picking in the 7 - 9 range.
Yeah I agree. That's probably a realistic spot for us maybe even 6th. I think we're still going to pick up a defenseman either before the season starts or just after.
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4 hours ago, Jasoaks said:
waaaait wait wait a minute.....the buyout money for Perry comes off the books after this season, right? meaning we are capable of signing him if we wanted to, right? ......and he went ahead and signed a 2-year contract with Tampa....despite doing a bunch of 1 years... coincidence????? you think he's interested in possibly signing a 1-year contract with the Ducks next off-season??
I'd like to bring him back, we could have done it before if we really wanted to sign him by the way. We'd just be paying him the new contract and the 2 mil cap. I don't think he's going to come back though. We wouldn't really have a place for him. Although, he would become only the second ducks player to play 1000+ games for our franchise.
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1 hour ago, dtsdlaw said:
Something tells me Strome wouldn't care. He just spent four seasons with the New York Rangers, who haven't had a captain since Ryan McDonagh was traded to Tampa in February 2018. His entire Rangers career had NO captain whatsoever. And Strome became a Ranger after being traded to NY in November 2018 from... [wait for it]... Edmonton, where his captain was the youngest captain in NHL history, Connor McDavid. And prior to being traded to Edmonton, he was with the Islanders from ages 20-23, where his captain (Tavares) was only 3 years older than him. Strome has actually never had a team captain older than age 26. If there's any guy on the team who'd be just fine with a young guy taking over the "C", my money would be on Strome.
Rico and Silfverberg - I really like both players, but who cares what they think of the age of the captain? Both guys are going to be long gone soon, and there's a very good chance neither guy ever plays another playoff game in a Ducks sweater.
Exactly. Players aren't going to make much of a fuss about how old the captain is. Getzy was young and turned out to be a great captain. Teemu, who was much older, never wanted the captaincy instead of Getzy. Koivu was a pretty good candidate at the time and he was fine with it even though he was a captain for the Canadiens. It was Getzy's team as everyone saw it. I'm not saying we should name McT the captain but young ones are pretty common.
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22 minutes ago, DucksFan_08 said:
The following quote from Eakins is from a piece on NHL.com:
"Ryan was an incredible captain and an incredible player and an even better person," Eakins said. "So, it does leave a hole, but Adam Henrique is a great leader. Troy Terry is growing into a very good leader. … Jakob Silfverberg. Derek Grant is a quiet leader. Cam Fowler, incredible leader. Kevin Shattenkirk, great leader. John Gibson. We've got lots of really good people. These guys are good human beings and that's usually where the leadership starts, and they're all I think going to be able to fill the void as a group."
Chances of Grant & Shattenkirk becoming captain are slim to none. Gibson also because you rarely see goalies in that role. I think it´s interesting he´s naming Terry. Anyway it may not be up to Eakins to choose our next C but a combination of Henrique, Fowler & Terry makes a lot of sense IMO.
I'm all aboard the Grantzlaf train! He's a quiet leader and quietly will be the greatest captain!
..... of the fourth line of course....
But knowing Eakins we can expect him to walk into PVs office and declare him the captain (because Delo is gone and he was a strong candidate) and Grant is by far his favorite player. 🤯
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4 hours ago, Gorbachav55 said:
All of this makes sense, but in a world where we would trade Andrew Cogliano for...that thing, all logic has been abandoned.
But you're right that we never should have fired Boudreau.
Yeah but let's not forget that some of the players were kind of vocal about team structure issues seemingly coming from the coaching. I liked BB and it's a shame he had to be let go. But bringing RC back was a huge mistake that we paid for dearly. I mean sure Bob got the approval from some of the big guns but honestly that was pretty bad, especially how badly the team did at the end of Randy's tenure.
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3 hours ago, Gorbachav55 said:
I looked at that as an option...I'm just really not a fan of Lehner as a goalie. He seems to me in the Jonathan Quick mold - he's aggressive and somewhat unorthodox and when he was younger and more spry, he could get by with that style. Now that he's older and broken down, he just seems to be out of position a lot of the time.
But that's not a big deal for years one and two. Year one, he's not playing anyway. Year two, I expect the Ducks to compete for a playoff spot, but I don't expect it to be a year where they're serious contenders. Year three could be ugly, though. If his contract were one year shorter, I'd be down. And maybe you could project that he becomes the backup to Dostal by year three, but Lehner doesn't strike me as someone who would gracefully fade into that role like Ryan Miller did.
It wouldn't kill the Ducks, even if they had to eat half his contract to dump him somewhere. If the trade you're proposing were actually on the table, I'd have a real hard time saying no to it. I'm just not a Lehner fan.
But let's not forget he's having season ending HIP surgery. That's not the kind of surgery that tends to age well, especially for a net minder. That would be a hard pass from me unless we're fine in potentially LTIRing the rest of his contract.
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The myth, the legend.... Dan Sexton. Lol
Well I think you could throw Bobby Ryan and Beuchemin into the conversation. Both were really good but overlooked because of the line mates they played with.
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3 hours ago, turnonthejets87 said:
Everyone was wondering what his new number will be. Couldn’t be 9, so the majority of guesses were 11 or 13. But now…. Confirmed. 13 is taken, so Zegras’ new jersey number will be 11.
I think this just confirms that Benoit will be on the opening night roster.
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3 hours ago, Jasoaks said:
next up! Kadri signs a 1-year contract lol
Git er done PV! 🤣
We can be handing out 1 yr 7 mil contracts all day! Load up!!!
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3 hours ago, Gorbachav55 said:
Well, that full NTC until Jan 1 makes sure that my thought doesn't happen. Hopefully, the 10-team NTC doesn't come back to bite us, but I can't imagine it would.
I doubt it but he might have a few playoff locations where he'd like to have control of just in case... like Canada....🤭
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15 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
When we talk about this guy, let's remember he is not some average player (2010 was Fowler's draft year, btw., as well as Gudbranson and Justin Faulk) :
Selected by Dallas in the fifth round (131st overall) of the 2010 NHL Draft, Klingberg is the all-time Stars franchise leader in game-winning goals (21), while he ranks third in all-time goals, assists and points. Among defensemen selected in the 2010 NHL Draft, he leads in points, assists, primary assists (157), power-play points (148), power-play assists (129) and overtime goals (6).
Fowler has played the third most amount of games from his draft class. And interestingly enough Klingberg and Fowler and first and second, respectively, in points from D. Though Klingberg has played far less games with Faulk also close to Fowler. Is Fowler one of the top three D guys from his draft?
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4 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:
The two more likely things are that he gets traded at the deadline for assets or that he resigns here. Double he gets traded, comes back and signs in free agency. Just feels like that’s a really rare thing to happen.
I know but can you imagine if that actually happened? That would be fantastic but likely just a dream.
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1 hour ago, DucksFan_08 said:
Has it already been confirmed?
Anyway if it is indeed true that´s an amazing deal by PV. Gets a veteran RD who can run the PP and we can trade him at the deadline for a 1st rounder in a deep draft. If he likes it here he can always come back afterwards.
That would be a dream come true scenario if he works out great with us and then gets traded for assets only to come back to us again.
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3 minutes ago, JiggyToTheCup said:
Or maybe he wanted out of Dallas....
Dallas Eakins says hello lol
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I love this signing! This is exactly the kind of move I'd been advocating for. I mean i didn't think we'd get someone like him though lol. But this is great! Yeah it's an overpayment but we have the ability to trade him easy at the deadline for Hopefully a good haul. Or who knows maybe he sticks around but I kind of doubt that. A+ from me.
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3 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
Ducks signed Olli Juolevi to a one year deal, 750k. Verbeek adding former top-5 picks!
Could be a good signing! We could trade him at the deadline for some assets if he works out. I like it.
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2 hours ago, Gorbachav55 said:
Niederreiter on a 2-year deal makes fine sense for this team. He's a veteran forward who doesn't break the bank and won't tie up any long-term cap space. Those are exactly the kinds of deals I want the team pursuing.
I agree with you that Bjorkstrand is a better player, but maybe the four years was something Verbeek didn't want to commit to for a player he didn't think fit his vision. The main difference I see: 2 inches and 15 pounds.
I wonder if Verbeek is being very picky about the guys he brings in. Vatrano is smaller but is a forechecking hound who likes shooting the puck. Strome is good forechecker but he's also being brought in as much for his leadership and charisma as anything else. Niederreiter, had he come here, would have been a bigger body for forechecking and work around the net. It seems to me like we might look back on this offseason and realize there were moves not made because Verbeek is being incredibly deliberate about the types of players he's bringing in - play style, locker room presence, and fit within the existing roster.
It's clear from the draft that after Mintyukov (and possibly Gaucher - there's some argument there), he drafted for a particular type of player. He might be doing the same with free agent and trade targets.
I agree. Those are the kinds of deals I would like the team to make. I wouldn't consider him part of the core and we might not trade him this offseason but we could the following deadline to aquire assets for future seasons to keep the ball rolling. We can't just look at the team for this year and next but 2-3 seasons down the line.
PV may very well be looking at players this way. I hope it doesn't turn into something like BM with not drafting Russian players though. While acquiring players of certain type is great there may be those smaller guys who get overlooked where web could get better deals for.
I'm not saying I don't have any patience though. It's just been a somewhat underwhelming off season so far. Idk what the owners say about payroll but it can't be that low. I'm not advocating for spending big bucks just want to get more assets for the future. It feels almost like it might be ownership though. Bob was never a big ufa guy. We'd always wait until all the big deals were done and we'd pick up some guy of the clearance section. That's what it feels like now, we're waiting for guys to go on clearance. Kinda like gambling thinking the jackpot will come soon but it might never be there. I'd say so far we're wasting the biggest asset we have, and that's cap space.
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5 hours ago, Gorbachav55 said:
Just to add - I know I saw from at least one person that we would be upset with Bob Murray if he'd been this inactive. Of course! Bob Murray earned that scorn from years of mismanaging offseasons and trade deadlines. He put together teams based on whatever whims he had after looking at the team that beat the Ducks in the playoffs. I gave Murray a lot of rope before I turned on him for being incompetent.
Verbeek deserves a chance to show what he can do. He hasn't done anything incredibly impressive so far, but I still feel like he's communicated that he has a plan. I'm willing to wait it out.
I fully support waiting till the beginning of the season before really getting upset. But it's still a somewhat legitimate comparison to BM because so far it feels underwhelming in the moves that PV has made. We finished the season with the hopes that we have a lot of cap space to make moves that would favor our future and so far we really haven't done much of that.
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21 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:
How would Verbeek "blow the cap" exactly? Have you looked at the Ducks' cap situation? Have you looked at the expiring contracts/buyouts this season and next?
It would be next to impossible for him to "blow the cap", and much more to the point, NOBODY is saying that's what should happen (ie. signing Klingberg to a 4-year, $6MM or getting back a draft pick for Girard {$5 MM for 5 more years} if COL wants to bring back Kadri would not be "blowing the cap". It would get them barely above the floor. Hell, they could sign that deal and spend another $6 MM on another player or two, LTIR Silf, and be just $2 MM or so over the floor). Gibson is signed for the next 4 seasons, Fowler is signed for the next 4 seasons, Strome is signed for the next 5. No bad contracts.
They will have $43.6 MM in space next offseason, Henrique (last year @ $5.825 MM), Silfverberg (last year @ $5.25 MM), Strome, McTavish, Vatrano, Lundestrom, Jones, Carrick, Perreault, Tracey, Groulx, Mintyukov, Helleson, Zellweger, Fowler, Vaakanainen, White, Gibson, Clang under contract, Zegras, Comtois, Terry, Drysdale, Benoit, Mahura, Dostal, OEE as RFAs, Stolie the Goalie as a UFA.
If they were worried about draft position for this coming draft, they could have traded Fowler and Gibson for bad contracts/little return and not signed Vatrano or Strome.
I feel like I'm somewhere in the middle here. While I wouldn't be upset we pick up someone like Klingberg I don't think it's the right move. I wouldn't mind picking up bad contacts from other teams, I hope that we do actually. But from my point of view we're relying too much on another team to trade their bad contract to us. Besides most of the teams that have wanted to trade them out have probably already done so which is why I'm opposed to the waiting game. Everyone said Columbus needed to trade someone out for cap, boom someone else does the trade. Now some are saying Edmonton... idk it just doesn't seem as likely anymore. Arizona is jumping at the bad contracts harder than us it seems. Look how many they have picked up over the years. That's why it makes sense to go get guys on short term contracts, even overpaid guys, to then later on eat half the cap at the deadline and get back assets. Any team willing to do that has a huge advantage because it's like buying picks. And we're not one of those teams it seems.
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2 hours ago, Jasoaks said:
PV seems extremely focused on big picture right now and letting the chips fall where they fall for this coming season.
He'll get to the cap floor, i'm sure, and he'll focus on that at some point before october. But that just seems to be what he wants right now. Create the foundation he wants long term -- who cares about this season.
I have no issue with that -- UNLESS it hurts the development of any of our NHL ready youngins 'cause they have another bad season with a mediocre coach. I'm hopeful the almost/not NHL ready youngins will be fine with all those changes he's made in that department.
Also I hope his plan doesn't actively rely on a top-5 pick in 2023...while that would be great, there's no way to guarantee that.
EDIT (i also do care just in the form of I'd like us to be competitive sooner lol but not at the cost of a solid long term foundation)
I don't care for the wins this season or to make the playoffs. We're going to have another developmental season for sure. I think what's being missed is the opportunities we could have done. Spend say 500k extra on Domi to have him come here (just an example). Yeah we overpay for a year to beat out other teams but we could trade those guys at the deadline for picks. That's all I want to see is us actively getting guys that make sense for a year or two with the intention of flipping them later. I think we made our big moves in acquiring players for the future so I'm not upset at that. It just feels like we could've done more already to benefit ourselves for the future and yet it's another BM off season in my eyes (for the reasons stated).
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25 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:
I don’t think the point is building only through the draft but that if you don’t draft a requisite amount of talent then you’re likely not going anywhere near a cup. The Ducks haven’t yet had the time to see if they’ve done that or go through a long enough period of player development. Waiting another year let’s Verbeek see more of these players do that. Outside of Zegras and Terry (who is 24) the rest of the prospect pool is a huge question mark on what they’ll bring or won’t bring to the Ducks.
Imagine if Murray had come to the realization 2-3 years ago when the Ducks were clearly on the decline, what the returns on those players would have been. Imo, he left a lot of value on the table and delayed the rebuild process. I give him credit for heading up some pretty good drafts but he left Verbeek the situation of having to actually go through the hard part of the rebuild that he wasn’t to do when it was most beneficial.
That’s the hope: that we’ve assembled the crew of the next great Ducks team but there’s no way of knowing that other than them getting the chance to prove it in the NHL. Not everyone will pan out (Tracey’s stock is already sliding imo).
I agree that the Ducks won’t’ finish in the top-3 because two teams are actively tanking (Chicago, AZ). I don’t trust Philly to be competent under Fletcher and see Seattle struggling with their defense and goaltending. Right now, this Ducks team is worse than last years and not likely to be better because they won’t be able replace Lindholm/Manson this year. I wouldn’t have minded getting some of the players that you mentioned but it’s not crucial do do that this offseason. I’m also not sure what kind of budget restraints Verbeek is under from ownership this year. I’ll be far more concerned if the Ducks miss on these opportunities when they are farther along in the rebuild.
Well we can be certain it isn't to be below the cap floor that's for sure.
I feel like it's an excuse that he's a new gm and we can do this next year and all that but let's be realistic here, if it was BM doing all this we'd be getting the pitchforks out. Bob sat back last year and got a lot of flack for it, now we have a new gm and it seems like it's just Bob again. It's been noted many times that we've missed opportunities to improve for the future. Teams went out and got guys to one year contracts on the first day of FA while we didn't do that. That's the problem. We're not doing anything to better our situation and while sitting back and just letting things roll as they go is great and all but a somewhat worse strategy in general. Stop twiddling our fingers, get out of bed, and start making moves before all the good ones are gone that's what I'm saying. We have cap space and we've done nothing with it. Again, I'm still reserving complete judgement until the season starts but we can still be critical of the moves made/ not made.
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Dmitry Kulikov is a duck.
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Could be a decent d corps. Those pairings are not bad.