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My point was about being able to afford to give up the assets it takes to get the player, not really about where the player is in his career. It becomes very hard to rebuild around Eichel when you give up so much of your farm/draft assets to acquire him. From now until the 2023 draft you better hope you get lucky in the later rounds of the draft or through trades, free agency, or what’s left of your system when it comes to acquiring talent, because if you don’t you won’t be challenging for the Cup until Eichel is in his late 20’s at the earliest. If you’re closer to one player away you already have the talent to surround Eichel with at the NHL level, so you can more easily afford to pay that prospect/draft capital price.

The Kings definitely could outbid the Ducks simply because they have a better/deeper prospect pool to work with. That means giving up more than what you have the Ducks giving up in a bidding war though. However, the Ducks giving up what you are proposing is a huge gamble that I’m not sure I would do. Eichel’s health is one thing to be concerned about, but even with a healthy Eichel and Zegras down the middle I’m not sure the Ducks are 100% making the playoffs, and even if they do I don’t think they realistically are contenders. It’s possible in your deal the Ducks trade away a top 2 pick, a top 10 pick in a better draft if the Ducks still struggle a bit next year (injuries or otherwise), one of our best prospects, a decent roster player with upside, and a 2nd round pick with upside. That’s a lot of cheap organizational depth traded away, and 2 1st round picks gone, which makes it harder to reliably draft future NHL players that will be important to fill out the roster with talent. That trade could easily end up really hurting the Ducks down the line without making them true cup contenders now. I think that’s something you do when you’re already a playoff contender (Ducks getting Pronger) and need to get to the next level, or if you’re like the Kings and have so much prospect depth you could stand to lose all that and still have some decent pieces left over. In that Pronger deal the Ducks also gave up significantly less valuable 1st rounders since the team was already good.

McNab has worked in the Ducks front office since day 1 of the franchise; fans should show him some respect. He’s apparently been our draft guru for a long time, and while we have lacked a bit in finding high impact talent drafting outside the top 10, we have done pretty well overall. We’ve certainly done well finding gems later in the draft over the years, and we’ve been a goalie factory. Hats off to McNab.

If it comes down to prospects, the King’s can easily offer Turcotte, their 1st this year, and another player. The Sabres would probably be asking for Comtois, our 1st this year (top 4 at worst), and likely Perreault (17 points in 26 AHL games as an 18 year old). I don’t think the Ducks can afford to give up all that, and there’s a very decent chance that what we give up will be worth more than Eichel alone, especially when you factor in salaries/cap hit. If we could get him for Comtois, 2022 1st, and Benoit-Oliver Groulx (29 points in 39 games as a 21 year old AHL player), then I’d do that, but I doubt it would be enough. That 2022 pick with Zegras and Eichel down the middle and a healthy defense + Gibson wouldn’t even sniff a top 5 pick next year.

I was just talking about locking up the 2nd position going into the lottery and the better odds that come with it.

We’re pretty fortunate to have all but locked up the #2 position. Even with a Ducks win tonight, Vancouver would have to lose every game in regulation to finish the season, and with 4 games left against Calgary there’s basically a 0% chance that’s happening. I have no doubt that if this was a full 82 game season we’d end up finishing closer to where we did the last 2 years. Hopefully the better odds pay off and we actually get the #1 pick for the 1st time in Ducks history. We haven’t even had a top 5 pick since 2005. It sucks this isn’t a good year to have the #1 overall, but all things considered it would be some decent luck. We’ll need even more to have a shot at the real prizes available in the 2022 draft.

James Dolan is known by fans to be one of the worst owners in sports. Ask Knicks fans. Rangers fans are furious about this move considering they believe Gorton and Davidson have done a good job with their rebuild, and now believe Dolan’s meddling is going to screw it up. They aren’t happy.

I’d go with Beniers. Having a 1-2 punch down the middle with him and Zegras would be pretty sweet. I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes #1 though. He looked good as an underaged player in the WJC, and he was able to play a full season at Michigan where he did well as a freshman.

Roslovic has 7 points in 7 games for Columbus. If he managed to break out into a 2nd line C scoring around 50-60 points a season, and Laine remained a 40 goal/year player, then that’s a win for Columbus even if Dubois puts up 90-100 points a year.

I could take 15 more years of Zegras owning Canada.

That would be good for some OHL kids. Their league banned checking if they were going to play, because somehow that’ll stop COVID-19, which is pretty much a waste of time for player development.

Zegras with another great game, this time against good competition. Thrun looked good as well. Nothing spectacular, but he mostly did well with his 1st pass and retrieving pucks. Colangelo didn’t look out of place, and made the occasional play. I didn’t notice Sundsvik too much, except he missed a wide open goal on a wrap-around shot. On the negative side, LaCombe had an awful game. His bad pinch led to him coming back and giving up a penalty shot, and he consistently struggled in his own zone. I only saw him make 1 good play in the offensive zone. Any time he was on the ice Sweden looked dangerous.

I like the Colangelo pick though. One of the places that loved Perreault also like both Gunler and Colangelo. I’d have been happy with either.

Zegras 🤤 Thrun looked decent too, and combined nicely with Zegras on one of his goals. Lacombe and Colangelo had a few nice moments in limited ice time as well.

He had 1st round grades pretty much everywhere, a number in the mid round, and a couple in the top 15. We could have taken him instead of Colangelo with our 2nd, but the reason he fell was some character issues (either effort or attitude, maybe it was both). He was always known for having a good shot. Our guy Sundsvik picked up an assist today so that’s cool.

Colangelo played and scored the 11th goal.

If the Ducks and Kings were going to attempt a joint thing I think it would have to be in OC since LA is being far more aggressive with Covid restrictions than OC is. It’s a cool idea. Personally I think it would be bad from a fan perspective, both watching at home and if you felt like attending the game. The camera angles for outdoor games suck for watching on TV, and viewing angles for fans in attendance aren’t good either. Plus, the quality of hockey is always worse for outdoor games. It’s a fun idea, but I don’t see it happening.

The guy we selected with that 4th rounder was ranked #74 by Craig Button and NHL Central Scouting, and has pretty good comps in one statistical model: https://mobile.twitter.com/Felix_Sicard/status/1313928619970883584 We could look back on that trade and really end up loving it. Not that it’s not already a good one. 3 years for Grant is too long, but he’s always a player you can move at the deadline any given year.

3.9 at only 3 years is a decent deal for him. Definitely a solid upgrade over Gudbranson, who was making 4m.

If this means we’re using that money to replace him with a better player, then good. Otherwise, I’d rather keep him and then get a better return at the trade deadline. He was decent for us.

I’m surprised the Ducks took one of the players I mentioned last night with the 36th pick! That Hockey Prospecting scouting website that had Perreault ranked #8 had Colangelo at #23. I’m a bit bummed we passed on Zion Nybeck at 104. Carolina took him at 115. He was mostly ranked from 30-73. Could be a steal for the Canes years down the road. The guy we got instead (Thimo Nickl) was ranked as high as 74 and as low as 92 so the value was there. I’m really surprised we took Arytom Galimov. That screams swinging for the fences, and why not with a 5th round pick? Overaged Russian forward, but he was ranked 117 and 119 at two places I saw. It’s good to see he’s off to nice start for his KHL team.

Did a little digging, and I’m actually more interested in who might be available at 67 and 104. There’s some interesting guys that would be a huge reach at 36, but could still be available at 67 and maybe even 104. The Ducks should probably have the chance to grab a forward with a 1st round grade at 36, especially if a defenseman or 2 get taken before them. If Murray/Madden like a few players in the 37-65 range just as much as the guys still available at 36 I wouldn’t be surprised if they traded down to get 2 picks in that range. I’m not so sure Gunler, Peterka, and Mysak impress me so much more than some of the other forwards in the later 2nd or 3rd round. At least in terms of projecting putting up offense. For example, there’s a center named Ty Simlanic. He’s ranked anywhere from 31-51 (one place has him at 19). If Gunler, Peterka, or Mysak is available at 36 and someone really wants him, I don’t think it would be so bad to trade down a few spots, get Simlanic, and get another 3rd. Sam Colangelo is a similar guy. There’s a number of guys like this in that 31-60 range. There’s a guy I’d like to get at 104 named Zion Nybeck. He’s undersized at 5’8, but he’s a scorer. He’s mostly ranked in the 60-70s. Probably won’t be available at 104, and there could be better value at 67.

I don’t read it like that. That assumes Murray/Madden don’t consider the two D in a tier above the forwards. Considering some scouts had Sanderson #3, and many rankings had Drysdale at #4, there’s some legitimacy there. Plus, if Murray/Madden consider the draft deep at forward, it’s possible they saw better value in going D at #6. I’d say it looks good so far getting Perreault at #27. Obviously we won’t know for sure for a number of years.

“Martin and I had decided awhile back that, if at all possible, we were going to get a defenseman with that pick,” Ducks general manager Bob Murray said, referring to assistant GM Martin Madden. “We had two defensemen that went side by each. We had them (ranked) side by each, so once Ottawa took Sanderson, we were not playing around with that draft pick any more. “We were going to take the pick and get the defenseman we wanted. It worked out very well for us today.” https://www.ocregister.com/2020/10/06/nhl-draft-ducks-take-jamie-drysdale-with-sixth-pick/ This explains what LeBrun tweeted out about the Ducks getting good offers for #6, but then decided not to trade down. If Ottawa didn’t take Sanderson there’s a good chance the Ducks would have moved down a few spots and still got either Sanderson or Drysdale.

Damn, he’s already 198 pounds at 5’11. That’s a good body.