saskduckfan

I can ask you to find me a reputable name that grades it positive. ESPN and the Hockey Writers are far from reputable anything. Hockey Writers keep posting about Oilers trades that they can never make happen and ESPN doesn't care about hockey so what do they know. Sporting News and The Athletic are the two reputable names you have and they both have B+ listed. So I would agree with those two. ESPN and the Hockey Writers I will not agree with their ratings as they have both proven in the past how out of touch they are. With a player like Lindholm being traded, anything not an A or A+ is not a home run trade.

Again buddy, scores as in puts the puck in the net, you know GOALS, not points. Domi's game is physical and takes bad penalties, sounds like Jones. Again GOALS PER CAREER GAMES PLAYED, Domi 0.21 GOALS PER GAME, Jones 0.13 GOALS PER GAME, NOT POINTS PER GAME. Only looking at how often they actually score. So my argument then is why do the Ducks need a passer in Domi and who would he play with. Zegras? Zegras is a passer too. McTavish? McT is more of a passer. Do we need more passers or do we need more finishers. I think the Ducks need more guys to actually put the puck in the net. It's great if you can pass the puck but if nobody besides Terry can put the puck in the net then what's the point, and I'm not counting Henrique as you have him in off season moves. Put him on Zegras' line and watch them whip around passes. Sounds fun. Who is actually going to shoot then. Zegras likes to make that extra pass when he should shoot.

Where am I wrong? The tank season? That was obvious from the players brought in and moved out on day 1. On the Lindholm trade? Sorry I was expecting more and there are others that agree that was a bad trade as well as respected hockey writers that say it was bad. The fact we gave the Bruins Lindholm and retained 50% of his contract that year and took Moore back should have brought back more then a late 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Vaks. I would have liked to see the last 2 picks drop off for another 1st, or a better prospect with the two extra picks.The Rakell trade, has potential to be good. Clang is unproven. Can't comment too much there, but thought he could have got another pick, or bumped that 2nd to a 1st if he gave up a pick. Klingberg, awful trade. Big F on that one. After Clang spends next season in the AHL we will have a better read. 3 games in not looking bad.

I've been arguing from October that the Ducks were purposely taking this season with their moves. Everyone disagreed, but glad some can see it now. The Lindholm trade was bad. Moore was nothing, he got a 1st Rd Pick and Vaks. Vaks is proving to be a bust and hasn't done much of anything good when he has played. So basically Lindholm for a 1st rd pick. Sorry I just think he could have got an additional 1st or a better prospect then what he did get, especailly with how Lindholm has turned out. Rakell trade, Clang is very unproven. He is a goalie prospect, but I wouldnt say a good goalie prospect yet. Manson trade was good, I'll give him credit for that.

How did I misstate any facts. I took Domi's total goals in his career divided by career games played and did the same for Jones. I WAS NOT comparing point totals, I was comparing career GOAL totals. Trolling is also not being able to read a post and then twisting the words of a post to make you sound better. So are you the troll?

Sadly you like to alter words and statements. I was comparing goal scoring. Not point scoring. So Domi gets a bunch of secondary assists, good for him. Actually putting the puck in the net they arent that different. Domi is slightly better at goal scoring, I give you that. Here's his totals by year, 18, 9, 9, 28, 17, 9, 11, 20. There are far more 11 goals or less seasons then there are 18 or more. And sorry, it's 6 different teams in 8 seasons. Teams acquire guys like that because he was scoring goals. I bet he isn't back with Dallas next season. Carolina didn't bring him back for some reason and would have had no problem doing so if he was as good as you say he is. The guy only has 2 goals in 18 games with Dallas, so he isn't exactly lighting it up over there. If your argument is why are cup contenders trading for him, then I'm going to toss out why did Arizona give up on him after 3 years? Montreal after 2 years and a playoff appearance? Columbus after 1.5 seasons? Carolina after 19 games (only 2 goals), Chicago after not even a year and 18 goals, and I guarantee Dallas wont be bringing him back either. So why are all those teams giving up on such an impact player like Max Domi. If he is soooo good, wouldn't someone want to keep him. And why were there no teams offering him a contract this past offseason except Chicago?? Can you answer that?

Exactly. Through out the WHL playoffs, Bedard was not scared of body contact and was right in every post whistle scrum tossing out shots as well. He is not one to shy away from physical play. McTavish should be physical too, has the body for it. Terry put on more muscle last year so he didn't get knocked off the puck so easily and I think Zegras needs to do the same thing. He has all the skill but this year he has been getting knocked off the puck easily. Zegras puts on more muscle and watch out.

I must be a troll because my opinions and thoughts arent the same as yours. We are all entitled to our own opinions. Doesnt make us a troll. By the way, I was on these forums 2 years before you my friend.

And you think Max Domi is that good? Glad you aren't the GM. Why has Domi been on 6 teams in 9 years? There's a big red flag to his character right there. And the only job he could find this summer was with the Blackhawks. Domi has a whopping 121G in 579 career GP, 0.21 goals per game. Jones average is .13 goals per game. Not a huge jump between Domi and Jones. I said Domi was Jones 2.0, meaning a better version of Max Jones. Brings the same game, scores slightly more, not much, but costs quite a bit more. And coming off a 20 goal season will be looking for $4-5 mil per and next year he will score 8 goals again, as he has done in the past. Then his attitude will get bad and he will move to team 8, as has happened in the past. Do you really want that kind of player in the locker room? At this stage in his career and with the past results, other then this year, Domi's projecting to be nothing more then a 2nd-3rd line roll player, nothing more. The 6 teams in 9 years and soon to be 7 in 10 is what would have me staying away. If he was as good as you make him out to be, someone would have signed him long term by now and not let him go.

Evidence I have, he is too scared to make the moves to improve the team. Firing Eakins midseason, waiving better defensemen and keeping garbage. Waiver diving for the likes of Leason and Megna and passing on Tulvoinen. Those saying imagine Neiderreiter here, imagine Tulvoinen and his shot paired with Zegras. Could have had that for free. Then his trades have been far from decent. Verbeek has lost basically every single one of them. Should have had more for Lindholm, and it can be argued that without taking back Moore he wouldn't have got the one first round pick. Vaakainninen is a bust, should have had a better prospect, even if it meant giving up a 3rd on his behalf. Got basically nothing for Klingberg, lost the Rakell deal. Manson is the only trade he has made that looks good. If the trades he made have been so decent and his signings good, then why are the Ducks in last place??

Sure, but who are those players? Bertuzzi with his whole 8 goals in 49 games, to me that's a player on the decline and you don't want to be stuck with in a few years. Domi? Sure he has 20 goals this year, but what does playing on 6 teams already in 9 years tell you. Locker room issues? And in those 9 years he has only got 20 goals twice, and over 10 goals 4 times. So doesn't look too impactful. Really looks like Max Jones 2.0. Mantha? 11 goals in 67 games, not really that offensive either. Only hit 20 goals twice in 9 years as well. To me those 3 guys just look like more of the bottom six we already have that arent doing anything but are younger and cheaper.

Debrincat, Meier, Bratt are impact players. Not sure the Ducks have a similar package to offer then what Fiala was. Definitely not trading 1st round pick and two 2nds do not equate to similar value. Jake DeBrusk could be another impact player. Anthony Mantha, Tyler Bertuzzi, Max Domi would not meet the definition. Bertuzzi has potential to be one, but would be looking for a bounce back season and how many years did we wait for Corey Perry to have a bounce back season. Max Domi is a hard no. He goes from team to team to team and has never really developed further then a depth player. He is really just a better version of Max Jones and we already have enough complimentary players that dont do much. Domi has goals on the Hawks because quite frankly someone has to. When people on here refer to needing an impact forward I'm thinking someone like a Marner, Nylander, Meier, Fiala, those type of players. Not guys that would slot into our middle 6 group again. Impact player would be someone like Chris Pronger coming in. Look at the impact he made. Problem is I dont think Verbeek has the guts or smarts to pull of that kind of trade without being taken on it. Taking another teams cap dump for a middle pick and giving up a middle pick is not an impactful trade.

Not a chance. Players like Connor Bedard don't come around often. I guess I'll pose the question back, if the Ducks got to pick Connor McDavid first overall, would you have traded that pick, or Sidney Crosby instead of Bobby Ryan, as that is the type of player we are discussing. Getting the first pick and Bedard to pair with Zegras or McTavish and the right role players could make this team a playoff team next season, that fast. Or do you want to trade that pick for a bunch of 1st's and players that are good, but not as good, and continue to just compete.

Ok, let's look at your pieces. Remember the discussion was on trading for an impact player in the offseason. 1) Top 10 prospect. Not in the forwards. And San Diego is awful this year. The prospect forward group that is in San Diego is not panning out right now. As for defense prospects, well that is the Ducks biggest weakness right now. If our defense prospects are so good, then why do we want to trade them when they can fix our biggest weakness with the team. I wouldn't be trading any of them this year. 2) Draft picks. Yes the Ducks have a lot of draft picks, but a lot of 2nd and 3rd round picks. Usually it is the 1st round picks that acquire a top 6 forward. Not 2nd and 3rds. We are talking about pieces to acquire an impact player. 2nd and 3rds will acquire a Vatrano or Strome or less and the Ducks already have enough of those. 3) Adam Henrique - yes he can fetch a decent return if the Ducks retain half the salary. But where have they been burnt on that theory before, oh right John Klingberg. Only got a 4th and Nesterenko, who looked good his first two games but has been relatively invisable ever since. Anyways back to Henrique, yes he would be a solid addition to a team looking to make a run. The key there is a team looking to make a run, so they would not be looking to send an impact player back in return. 4) Cap space. Yes the Ducks could take on bad contracts to get extra picks as they have cap space. Guess what though, those contracts are usually like a Milan Lucic player. Someone who signed big but is doing nothing anymore. Ducks are not going to get an impact player going this route. For an impact player you are looking at giving up assets, and good assets. I don't think the Ducks are in a place to give up next year's 1st round pick unless it is top 10 protected and the D prospects I want to see stay. Ducks made that mistake before and it set them back. The best impact player they can get is Connor Bedard and the best way to try is to finish dead last and have the best odds at the lottery. Acquiring players with the assets you listed is just going to bring in much of the same and this team won't be that much better.

There are a few that are holding out hope that Verbeek makes an impact trade for an impact forward in the offseason, with what assets I don't know. After the last few games, and a small sample size, the defense issues look like they can be fixed from within. Helleson and Lacombe looked far better then Benoit, White, Beaulieu. Add a Zellweger and Drysdale back next season. But these few that are expecting a trade for an impact forward are the same few that want the Ducks to win every game. You want an impact forward, there is one out there named Connor Bedard and the Ducks should do everything in their power to try to get the best chances to land this kid. Want this rebuild turned around quickly, get the 1OA pick. This kid is likely the next Crosby/McDavid type of player and look what Crosby did for the Penguins fortunes. Would it not be nice to have that kind of player on the Ducks. I know the lottery is no guarantee, but having the best chances of winning it (or being last in case one of the teams that can only move up 10 spots wins it) is worth it in a lost season.

Columbus/Buffalo last game. One last chance for them to get one point.

And just like that 2-2.

2-0 CBJ

1-0CBJ

Best case. Though I'm not holding my breath anymore with Columbus when Hutchinson is there goalie.

Again, if Nashville and Calgary win the lottery they can only move up 10 spots in the draft. They wouldn't move up to #1 overall. In the case one of them win, then the 32nd team keeps #1 and Calgary for example if they finish 15th, would move up to 5th.

I like how for the Penguins you have to go back 17 years for their last top 5 pick. Guess the Ducks better not win either, they've had 9 top 10 picks in the last 20 years and 2 within the top 3, 4 within top 6 like Ottawa. They better drop to 11 then. My post was more so if the Ducks were 32 and one of those teams won the lottery, Ducks still get 1st overall. In other words there were other chances to get 1st without them winning the lottery.

So what, with the rules if those teams finish where they are now and win the lottery the best they can do is move up 10 spots. If the Ducks finish 32nd in the NHL and don't win the lottery and one of these 5 teams do, then the Ducks still get to pick 1st.

If the Ducks somehow end up finishing last and dont win the 1st overall lottery then I sure hope one of Nashville, Calgary, Ottawa, Pittsburgh, or Buffalo do.

Who or what is he trading in this noteworthy trade? 2nd round picks arent going to get much.